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One of my rats has a really cool black and white color patern and I was wanting to breed her to see if I might get more cool paterns but I don't know who I shuld breed her with. Should it be another black and white or maybe a blue... Heck maybe a dumbo ear'd... What should I do... :?
 

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Hey, just have fun and see what happens. I've put a blue & black together, theres no colors yet but if your willing to wait a few days i can tell you what comes out. I know we can't predict the same if you breed but maybe it will give u an idea? I've noticed with my mice that if you mate and Black & white with another multi colored you do get some nice coloring. I've gotten gold & white and some Greys! i'm still waiting for thr day i get a gold & black!! lol
 

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Sounds good let me know your results.
 

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OK i don't have colors yet but so fare it looks like i've gotten selfs, capped, and mis matched hooded. I'll inform you of colors as soon as i see fuzzys! I'll attach a pic of the colors as well as soon as i get some.
 

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Actually, you can pretty accurately predict what colors/markings you'll get when you breed if you were breeding ethically and knew anything about genetics.

I don't understand any of you. How is there no one on this forum that knows about proper breeding?
 

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I agree with night =(

All the responsible breeders I know know almost exactly what colors, markings, ear types, and coat types they expect to come out of each breeding because they know their genetics.


Edit: In fact if you DON'T know you could end up with a very sick litter. Some rats should NOT be bred. Does anyone here even know about high whites and megacolon? =(
 

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Breeding petstore rats for a pretty colour is one of the biggest no-no's of all!

You have unknown genetics, you could have some horrible health problems down the line...they could all die young with cancer, be extremely myco prone etc, etc. You may have bred high-white carriers and some of your litter could contract MC and die horrible painful deaths. You could have a pair of sweet parents and end up with highly aggressive babies. Your babies could've turned out to be all black berks since that is a dominant colour gene.

There are too many perfectly fine homeless rats out there for you to be creating more. If you want to breed properly, start reading up on genetics and get yourself a mentor amongst the breeders.
 

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Sky14 said:
What should I do... :?
you shouldn't do ANYTHING.

Unexperienced rat breding is a MAJOR mistake. For the benefit of the possible pups--and your wallet-- DO NOT BREED.


There are many different reasons I could give you for not breeding. Just request and I'll happily share them. :)
 

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I can't believe how rude people are on this forum, my mother knows all about our rats and mice genetics and is slowly teaching me. My mother worked out one of our mother rats genetics out with our vet and we were meant to get Homo. Capped and we ended up with 13 little black selfs!! we are not god we can get close to what we think we will end up with but we never be 100% correct. I wish people would stop being so rude, I understand that a lot of horrible things can happen but the main reason i didn't go into genetics at this very time was because (as everyone pointed out) not everyone knows about genetics. I would have been more than willing to go over Genetics with Sky14 i didn't want to just ram her face into the ground for having an idea. :D I personally like the saying "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" :D
 

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Night said:
I don't understand any of you. How is there no one on this forum that knows about proper breeding?
You basically called everyone on this forum stupid? You don't think thats rude??
 

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Night said:
I don't understand any of you. How is there no one on this forum that knows about proper breeding?

Night, this came off as extremely snobbish, to me.

You'd be suprised about how many people are ignorant to the safe techniques and down right technicals to breeding. But the important thing is they posted here to LEARN. They are not stupid, they are just without knowledge. you should congratulate them for taking the step to conisder and talk with others before they bred. That's a smart thing to do. They can learn a lot more with helpful advice of others.

Many, many, MANY people will just completely object to hobby breeding. But it's not a bad thing as long as the breeder is educated on the subject.



I must make myself clear on my use of ignorance. Ignorance is the refusal or LACK of learning. It's not necessarily a derogatory term, so please don't take that as me being mean.
 

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She wasn't posting asking IF she should breed, she was asking who she should breed her rat with. It honestly didn't seem like she wanted to learn that breeding rats without thinking was a bad thing.

Hobby breeding is fine, as long as you're a registered, accredited breeder.
 

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She wasn't posting asking IF she should breed, she was asking who she should breed her rat with. It honestly didn't seem like she wanted to learn that breeding rats without thinking was a bad thing.

Hobby breeding is fine, as long as you're a registered, accredited breeder.
That doesn't matter, she took the step to learn. Be what she wants to learn is what she ends up learning or not, that's a good step for anyone. Taking the initative to gain knowledge and become better.
 

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ALL OF YOU (exept Nazarath) MAKE YOUR OWN POST if you want to debate. I would like some POSITIVE info and I have knowledge of my babys background so STOP argueing and give me your sugjestions in a POLITE SNOB FREE way OK!!!! I have bred at lest 7 liters and I got only ONE runt that got sick from being BULLIED AWAY from the mom and food. So I have some knowlege and came here asking for more NOT for your critasisim and put downs!!!!!
 

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Nazarath I would be glade to have YOU explain the genetics
 

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:) I'll give you a PM and tell you what i've learn from my mother, I have some online Ped's i can show you :).
 

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The fact of the matter being, whether you are trying to learn or not, before thinking of what markings and colors you should get, you should have a rat (or even yet a pair of rats!) with at least a 4 generation pedigree. The parents, the grand parents, the great grandparents, and the great great grandparents of both sides! And it should be at least 90% complete, with colors, markings, and origins documented. And it would even be better to have dates of birth and death, reason for death, any health issues, etc.

Before contemplating color, you should be thinking about whether or not you should even breed at all! Can you afford possible vet care, are you willing to risk loosing the female to complications, do you have any knowledge of raising an orphaned litter, do you have proper fascilities to house them and keep them from breeding with each other, are there any undesirable personalty traits in the male or the female that could be carried onto the babies, what does the male carry, what does the female carry, what traits could or will they pass on? Until you can answer all of those questions, you shouldn't breed.

"Wow, just breed and see what you get!" That isn't the right way to do it at all. There is more to it than just sticking two animals together and seeing what pops out. You should have a good understanding of genetics before ever even attempting to breed. You should know what genes and combinations of genes can produce, as far as color and markings, but you should be mostly thinking about what kind of personality and health the kittens will have. What they look like doesn't matter, it's how good a pet they will make a person that counts!
 

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And you don't need to have anyone explain genetics to you. All it takes is a simple google search and a look at good rat sites that talk about genetics. Learning genetics second hand isn't a very good way to do it. You don't know if that person knows hide nor hair of what they are talking about. Why not get it from the best source possible?

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Also, just because your female has a cool 'pattern' with her markings doesn't mean a single baby will come out that way. And it doesn't make her a better rat to breed. Nor does it mean she'll produce better kittens.

She could produce anything from a bunch of selfs, to hoodeds, etc. You never know unless you know her genetic history, the genetic history of the male, And how those genetics will combine and create other markings.
 

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And someone who cannot afford vet care for one rat who is having eye problems should not be breeding. You are setting yourself up for a lot of stress and heartache if you care about the animals and whether or not they are in pain.

How would you feel if your female had complications and needed a c-section and you couldn't afford it? She would almost certainly die, either from shock or other problems. You'd have inadvertantly killed her by breeding her purposefully. Harsh, but true.. Are you really sure you want to risk that happening?
 
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