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I feel some of your responses have been a bit harsh - yes the rat should be set free - but must you be down right rude to a new member who stated he had no idea about pet rats.He obviously cares about the little lady - and torn on what to do with her - he doesn't want to harm her but his lively hood is also at stake.Lighten up please.
I didn't read anyone's responses as rude :/ if I came off rude I am sorry op! That was not my intention at all. I don't think it was anyone's intention. It's crazy how everyone perceives things different. I'll try and work on my responses.
 
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Also...that cage is dreadful. Plywood, small, cramped, wire bottom...
Goodness, you truly are a ray of sunshine, aren't you? So now you've watched the video. If you had read the post, you'd have known I used a temporary cage. The wire floor was there before I read up on how harmful it can be. After educating myself, I worked on a new cage, then a third, and the habitat she has now has no wire flooring, melanine walls, and seven levels. It's a foot deep, a foot and a half wide, and three feet tall. Not sure what you have against plywood, but it's better than having wire on four sides.

She works hard in her efforts to arrange all the stuff pack rats like, but her cage still needs to be cleaned. I've added a couple of receptacles in which I fill with pack rat treasures after each cleaning so she can "find" them and decorate as she wishes.

I came here hoping to hear from people that have had experience with wild rats, not to listen to those without personal experience telling me what I should or shouldn't do. Maybe the little critter doesn't have her freedom, but at least she still has her life, and I'm doing my best to make it a comfortable one while I figure out what to do next.
 
I didn't read anyone's responses as rude :/ if I came off rude I am sorry op! That was not my intention at all. I don't think it was anyone's intention. It's crazy how everyone perceives things different. I'll try and work on my responses.
gotchea - your response was not rude at all - I apologize if you felt like I was speaking to you for some reason. Most of know how much you loved your little rattie.

I suppose I was mostly speaking to deedeeiam who was quite rude and critical.
 
Evander, oh okay! No need to say sorry at all! I've been told before I come off rude. So I guess I am insecure about it. Kucero, I hope you don't feel put off by our response. Only a few of us have had wild rats, and one member who responded, Mrs.Brisby, I believe works with wildlife. She even raised raccoons! Hopefully we can help you the best we can.
 
Just like when gotchea posted advice about Wilder awhile back, I remember lots of people got upset and were very critical. Someone else pointed out though her and Wilders situation was not common, this wasn't just your average story of a new owner with a domesticated rat, so we can't really treat it like it is. Different things have to be taken into consideration. I once took in wild mice, and I had no clue what I was doing, actually I released them back into the wild probably too soon and they're most likely dead.

Kucero you might want to do some internet research on wild rats and see what their diet and behavior is like, since this is a domesticated pet rats forum we might not have the best knowledge of wild rat needs. Rita is super cute btw, those giant eyes are beautiful!
 
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Thank you for the advice, K...believe me, I know more about wild rats than I ever thought I'd care to read.

Eastern woodrats are herbivores that enjoy the occasional insect. Rita's diet is a smorgasbord of fruits, vegetables, and treats. Carrots, potatoes, corn, green beans, dry oats, uncooked rice, apples, bananas, Goldfish crackers, grape jelly, strawberry preserves, peanuts still in the shell, and small pieces of Hershey's chocolate. The only vegetable she's turned down so far is green peas.

Behaviorally, these are solitary animals, but the still show the same signs of stress and contentment that fancy rats do. I've paid close attention to this rat, and I've made notes of behavioral changes. For example, she used to sleep with her eyes wide open.


Obviously, things have changed.

She has a particular spot she runs to when she wants to be fed, or when she anticipates being fed. She's not free, but she's not entirely unhappy, either, and I'm still learning whatever I can, so that I'll be better able to make long-term decisions for her, and better equipped to keep her loving life in the meantime.
 
It's good you've done so much research. From the look of your pens and her current setup, it seems you are very skilled at building things. Maybe eventually you could build her a really nice habitat that mimics her natural environment as best you can. Good luck working with her, keep us updated on your progress :)
 
I certainly hope I didn't come off as rude. If I did then I truly am sorry. I'm usually on my not-so-smart phone so I have to keep my answers short and to the point. Gotchea is correct, I work to rehabilitate wildlife, mostly lagomorphs and rodents. As a wildlife rehabilitator I like to remind people that wild animals could potentially carry some pretty deadly things. If you're willing to deal with the possible consequences of contracting these diseases than there is nothing I can do about it. I commend you for not killing her and I understand why you wouldn't want to release her but, it is my opinion, that releasing her is the best thing to do. She isn't injured, malnourished, or unable to care for herself. Wild animals become very stressed when confined, no matter how large the cage is. it's unnatural and they don't like it. Wildlife rehabilitators release animals as soon as they possibly can because for some animals, especially the smaller ones, the stress of confinement will literally kill them. They eat, they drink, they seem fine but they aren't. I run into people like you all the time. they're good people, kind people, their hearts are in the right place! They just aren't experienced enough to take care of wildlife and often times they end up hurting the animal instead of helping it. Also, if you're **** bent on keeping her, aren't you afraid she'll chew through the plywood?
 
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I live near a sizable expanse of forest. The area is saturated with snakes, owls, hawks, skunks, and other menaces that would love to eat her. Without the predators, I have no doubt she would thrive if I released her somewhere else, but as densely populated as these woods are, I'm afraid she'd become a meal before being able to find shelter. I'm almost certain of it.

Her new cage and all its additions are made of melanine. She won't be chewing through that. I do add chewables here and there, though, mostly wood scraps
 
First of all, this is a story about a wild rat that invaded a human habitat. Which makes it fair game for killer traps and poison bait stations... Our new member gets points for not killing the little vermin.... It's not a matter of what he could have done better, but what he could have done worse and by the way, which he had every right to do, moral considerations aside.

Now what to do next... I catch mice in the house all of the time and I set them free far away in a nice park, next to an incinerator near and ice cream store and next to a river... It's not ideal, but food is abundant and there is shelter and no nearby human homes... it's the best I can do as my wife is both rat and mouse phobic, my daughter is 8 years old and is likely to get bit playing with the wild mice and my wife already puts up with two rats, bless her heart. It's not optimal, but it's better than killing them...

Now, there may be human health issues involved, but there may not be. Those are risks the owner has to be aware of and assume. The fact is that most rats don't carry diseases and odds are in his favor. On the other hand if he does contract something terminal, his survivors are going to have an interesting story to tell their friends about how their relative single-handedly brought back the black plague... Not really likely to happen, but folks have the right to take their own chances; so lets lighten up a bit...

Here's where I'm going out on a limb... there is no proof that wild adult wood rats can't be tamed or befriended. In fact it would make for a truly interesting experiment and a wild stretch of immersion theory... In theory if the OP was crazy enough to lock himself into an immersion area and work with the rat, he might be able to bond with it and the result might be something that can co-habitate with him. Obviously, there are certain risks of getting bitten involved and it overall strikes me as sort of nuts, but if Kucero was willing to try and give this rat a decent life, which includes out of cage activity, a human relationship and a roomier cage, I'd be willing to play along and consult on the project. (I might not mind a reasonable discount on one of those nifty pens either...) But really I'd be interested in the project just for the information we all might gain from it.

I agree with everyone that this isn't a normal situation and I can find about a thousand reasons this shouldn't be tried, but I grew up in the mountains and there were some fairly unique types that preferred to live life just a little bit apart from the norm... I've seen pet deer, raccoon, squirrels and an old lady that let rattle snakes nest in her basement. So a wood rat isn't too far of a stretch.

But, I am serious about socializing the wood rat. I don't think life in a cage would be fair to the animal. There have been several wild rats and my own part wild rat that enjoyed a full and happy life with a human family, but, to be fair, none were wood rats and all of them were socialized as pups.

Now, to be entirely fair, lots of years ago, there was a group of city kids, driving their dad's new Cadillac that asked me if I knew the best place to find mushrooms... I told them about a very secluded place where they were likely to find any mushroom they ever wanted way back in the woods and they drove off with their field guide to poisonous and hallucinogenic mushrooms. Not seeing much of an up side to this adventure I didn't go along, but gave them excellent directions. A friend of mine who drove a tow truck, stopped by several hours later; he told me he had just towed a new Cadillac out of the creek with a bunch of teens speaking in tongues wandering around it... Now I suppose someone else might not have told them about the misty little gorge where all kinds of wondrous mushrooms grew, but then I wouldn't have this nifty story to tell 30 years later. So just because I think it's possible to socialize an adult wild wood rat, and I'll give advise from a safe distance, doesn't necessarily mean that things are going to end well... Although it would be very cool if they do.
 
Kucero, I think what you've done is amazing!! I read the whole post, watched the video and read all the comments. While I have NO idea on taming wild animals or keeping them in a cage etc etc...I do feel as well that some of the comments you received were pretty **** harsh!! Wilder's mommy, not you. We know how you feel.

Rita, certainly doesn't look like a caged wild animal pacing up and down trying to get out. She looked really content doing her thing and the fact that she is eating off your hand is also a really good thing as she could have taken huge chunks out of your hand had she wanted to. I think your cage is awesome too and the way she curled up to go sleep was so cute. Typically not on the nice bedding! What you have done in saving and giving this rat a home and to save your workshop is really so awesome. Thank you for not putting poison down to kill the 'vermin' as so many others would have done!

Please please keep posting pics and videos I would love to know how Rita is getting on.
 
Clearly some people have a lot of bias towards keeping wild animals and their passion on the subject shows. I do not know what I would do in this situation but I feel that regardless of what your opinion on the matter is, our goal as a community should be to educate and steer in the right direction. If OP has decided he wishes to keep the wood rat (and I feel his reasons for doing so are somewhat legitimate), lets band together and try to figure out the best captive environment for this little critter - at least for the time being. I cannot feel angry at this situation because it is clear that Kucero seems to mean well and is trying to take on board advice on the cage etc.

My own personal experience in keeping wildlife is fairly small. I rescued a baby pigeon from some ravens who were brutally pecking it to death in the middle of the street. I was a child then and still received criticism from the people around me who thought that it was not my place to interfere with nature. Arguably they have a point but I also think it isn't ever that simple. We live among these creatures and whether we like it or not it is difficult not to invest ourselves in correcting something that looks like it needs interfering. I nursed the pigeon back to health for quite a long time and it eventually grew up into a wonderful adult. Whilst we rehabilitated him, he had full flight off our house and we did grow quite attached to him however when we felt it was time and his recovery was complete, we gave him the chance to leave us. Needless to say he chose to fly away and we never saw him again. I guess my point is that I myself believe a wild animal should stay wild but that does not mean keeping the wood rat comfortable for the time being whilst you figure out a humane release is a bad thing. If a release is not an option then I think providing it with the best captive environment you can should be a priority and it sounds like you are willing to learn and implement the kind of life it needs.

Anyway, I wish you and the rat the very best of luck. I hope you figure out the right option for the both of you.
 
I'm inclined to say release her, but I think a good route to go would be to "rat proof" your workshop and maybe she can be tamed and be an out of cage wild rat - you can feed her and teach her destroying stuff isn't okay and she'll be your buddy but would still be allowed freedom and her natural habitat. There's a guy who rehabbed a raccoon who does this, the little bugger breaks into his house for food and love but spends the rest of it's time wandering freely like a true wild animal.
 
I've been thinking quite a lot about this, and if you do decide not to release her, hopefully implementing the suggestions by rat daddy and nanashi will give her the freedom she needs.
 
I came here hoping to hear from people that have had experience with wild rats, not to listen to those without personal experience telling me what I should or shouldn't do. Maybe the little critter doesn't have her freedom, but at least she still has her life, and I'm doing my best to make it a comfortable one while I figure out what to do next.
I ran a wild animal rehab for 15 years...does that count? I still work with DNR and wild life officials in my state on a regular basis and am an avid outdoors-man.

Releasing her is the humane, ethical thing to do. After you caught her initially, you should have just shored up your workshop to limit her access and put her back out in nature. You took a thriving, healthy animal out of the local ecosystem (and quite possibly killed an entire litter). There is a reason removing wild animals is illegal in most states.

I don't necessarily care if I come off as rude, and I'm slightly mortified anyone would support the removal of a healthy animal from the wild. This isn't a situation were the animal was in danger or it was abandoned. This is an adult now keeping a wild animal in a little cage, just like little kids try to do with bugs. That's not something to support, or even offer advice on, short of screaming RELEASE IT.
 
Sorry dee but I think your advice would be better listened to if you did not come off so rudely - I can understand someone being passionate about the well being of an animal - but you NEED to also be aware that you are speaking to a person who truly means no harm.

There is NO reason to be rude!!
 
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