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Rita and babies are doing well so far. It might be something rat experts are used to, but it tickles me when I see Rita walk around just dragging her newborns along with her nipples.

Rita is understandably extra tense, and has given me a couple of warning lunges for putting my hand into the cage too quickly. She's fed directly, not through the cage wires. Her dwelling is multi-leveled, and before the babies, it wasn't difficult to restrict her access to a certain area of the cage if I needed to clean it. Now, though, she's probably going to have to live without having her cage cleaned for who knows how long. I'm just playing it by ear and doing my best to determine her levels of tension and stress.

I'm not taking a bunch of pictures, because it would probably increase her anxiety. I did manage to get a decent shot of the babies while Rita was getting a drink, and she didn't seem to notice or worry. I'm surprised at how dark and thick their fur is already.

 
They're beautiful, congratulations. Do you know the age to separate? Unless of course you've gotten lucky and both pups are female.
 
I'm curious, I've been thinking about it all day, you said woodrat prefer solitary life to the group life other rats have. What do you plan on doing with the babies once they've grown? They are super cute to! I hope you post more pictures as they grow.
 
Oh they beautiful, so happy to hear Rita and her babies are doing well:) :) Congrats again... They look gorgeous. I once put my hand into a pet store cage where the momma rat had babies and she bit right through drawing blood. Considering that was a domesticated rat you are doing very well if Rita's still eating from your hand. After a few days maybe when she starts to leave them for slightly longer stretches you could try? I'll leave that up to the experts to advise though.

It's just sooo awesome. Are you coping okay?
 
Aaawwww how sweet - nothing like sweet little babies!! :)
 
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I have no idea when separation would be a good idea. Eastern woodrats have a different cycle. Gestation is 33-36 days, lifespan in captivity is up to 8.6 years, weaning takes place at 4 weeks, sometimes three. Eyes begin opening during their third week. Females reach sexual maturity at 5-6 months, while males take a full year.

Right now, I'm just trying to keep mama as comfortable as possible, given our circumstances. She never has to leave her babies to find food, and she's certainly not going hungry.
 
Just a thought. The babies will never be good for release, but solitary wild
Creatures tend to violently evict their kits that don't leave so.
 
Nanashi7,

Your point is thoughtful and logical and may very well be more on target than off the mark...

But when my part wild brown rat went native she adapted to the outdoors very well, her indoor skills had her invading neighbor's houses to steal food and her outdoor skills born from instinct made her a force to be reckoned with. She was a supreme indoor/outdoor suburban rat. Remember, for these wood rats, being free might just involve invading someone else's wood shop and stealing their stuff combined with the basic instincts to not get eaten, they may actually do better than rats that never lived with humans. Where I would agree that a lion that never learned to hunt might be disadvantaged being set free in the wilderness, my experience with our part wild rat would seem to prove that rats benefit from all of their experiences and adapt to survive.

Especially for brown rats, when we talk about wild, we might be talking about living in a warehouse or behind a McDonalds and foraging for native foods might be dumpster diving. Or in the case of my part wild rat, stealing my neighbor's dog food from his pitbull terriers.

We don't really know enough about wood rats to know if they can be released... if you think about it, all you have to do to return them into their native environment is to set them free in the shop.

As to the part about solitary wild animals kicking their kids out violently... bunnies tend to be pretty solitary in the wild too, but my friend had 17 at one time and they didn't kill each other. You may be very much right, or not... we can't disagree here because we won't know what happens until it happens.

In all reality, wood rats aren't rats as we know them... Some folks didn't think black rats could become true shoulder rats. And very likely some, many or most can't. But one did. Again we don't know much about wood rats in a domestic situation. We don't know if they can bond with humans or not... But folks have kept mice, hamsters, gerbils, ground hogs, beavers, nutria rats, pouched rats squirrels and even capybara's as pets and all of those have bonded with their humans... so I wouldn't bet against it yet.

It seems that most folks say that hamsters aren't social animals, and yet they have found a place in human households... But wood rats aren't hamsters nor are they black or brown rats... we simply don't know what we don't know.

For now, I think Rita is lucky to have found Kucero and not to have been trapped or poisoned. And I think he's really trying to take care of them. There's no telling where this is going to go... This could go terribly wrong or we may wind up welcoming a brand new species into the rat fancy...

For now, everything seems under control... and Kucero has assured me he is going to work on socializing his rat family so they won't wind up as caged prisoners... Which is a heck of a commitment when starting out with a wild rat of any kind.

For now.... I'm hoping for the best. If wood rats are as intelligent and emotionally balanced as brown and black rats a rat with a good temperament and an 8 year life span might actually have a place in this fancy.... But we will never know until someone seriously tries...

Our Max is only a year old and she's already starting to get lumpy, the constant cycle of rats dying off can't possibly be good for my eight year old daughter, even though they make for perfect pets and friends... If wood rats can be socialized and can live with humans in a family structure other than as caged animals, having the same rat for more than two years might be something I would consider seriously.

Although for now, I wouldn't encourage anyone else to try and trap a pet wood rat for themselves, I'm more than curious to see how this goes. There are some real challenges ahead, especially if one of the pups is a boy... But until things actually start going wrong... I'm going to stay optimistic... Lets cross one bridge at a time as we get there.
 
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Things got worse before they got better. The day the vermin twins were born, Rita seemed tense. The following day, I guess the reality of her new role started setting in, and she began agressively lunging toward anything that moved. On Day 3, she was wound tighter than a deer streaking across a firing range. My hand doesn't go into that cage unless I'm offering food. I covered a finger in some delicious cream alfredo sauce I thought she'd like, and she lunged so violently, she overshot and made a mess all over her head. She spent a few minutes cleaning herself while I waited patiently with my hand as motionless as possible, then came back to partake of the treat the right way.

The problem is her vision, and it doesn't matter what kind of lighting is involved. The poor thing can't see. I usually keep it pretty dark, for the comfort of her and the babies, but she doesn't see my hand until it's about eight inches from the little bed she and the ratlings stay in.

As a precursor to feeding time, I say her name and click twice before releasing the latch that holds the door closed. On Day 4, she did a complete 180. Not a single lunge all day, no hesitation, and she's back to taking those edible tidbits as sweetly and gently as she always has. It seems that the best illumination is having a light source shine on my hand while keeping her in relative darkness.

Another positive change is that she's more comfortable cleaning and grooming the babies. Until Day 4, she would hover over them and conceal them as much as possible. Today, I was treated several times to the sight of two squirming babies getting baths while they squeaked and grunted in protest.
 
Aw man, I started getting really tense there for a minute but then when you said Rita did a complete 180 I breathed again. So happy to hear it:) that's a really good sign. You probably already know more about this little wood rat than anyone else and you obviously also have very good instinct. Rita's probably relaxed more into her role as mom which is awesome. Can't wait to see more pics.
 
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How's this one? I took it only ten minutes ago. I forgot the flash was on when I took it, though, so I left them alone after that. Rita didn't seem to even notice. She was too focused on cleaning that baby's foot.



See all that white stuff? That used to be several cotton balls.
 
she is verry pretty
 
We have that hamster cage and used it temporarily as a home for my girl Cricket before we introduced her to her cage mates. I'm just so surprised and how...big yet tiny Rita is! She seems to have a very big head. Like a little cartoon. It is adorable, and if they really live that long, and can be social and friendly with people, I agree with Rat Daddy, might be nice new species to the fancy. Course that would take years, but hey, time breeds better results?

Anyway, that video is just adorable! and the pictures. and Rita. and the pups.
 
Kucero, that was the cutest thing I've seen in a long time:) firstly Rita with her baby's foot and the video. She she's so full of energy and has the biggest eyes and I love your little trash bins for new stuff for her to redecorate with. One of my rats is always trying to get into the garbage so you've given me an idea. And my other boy just after cleaning his cage he also does the whole redecorate thing. It's so entertaining to watch him. Thanks for the pics and the video really enjoy them. :)
 
So entertaining!! I can see how you fell in love with those big brown eyes!!

Your next video should be accompanied by Van Morrison's Brown Eyed Girl!!!
 
This is so interesting. I posted a topic a long time ago about domesticating rats, all in theory of course.
I'm going to be stalking this post for as log as possible! I'm like RatDaddy on the matter of experimentation and getting to observe this species in a captive setting.
The video with her in the blue hut was so cute <33
 
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