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So Saturday night I saw what I assumed to be a mammary tumor on Gaz. I freaked out. I tried emailing my vet because the roads were bad and they're an hour away, but they never answered so yesterday I finally got an appointment. Now my vet has never seen my rats, because we just moved here and our first visit to this vet was for my dog. I loved it, they were wonderful, etc. Now their website claims they see all exotic pets. They even have an iguana and a bird in their logo, so I was feeling pretty good about it. I get in there, and the Dr. I saw before isn't there. I wish they would have told me that over the phone, I would've waited for her. I had all three of my little girls with me because both Porro and Feta had been a little extra sneezy since the move on and off. I figured they could use some Doxy for the myco flare-ups and Porro is super fat for no apparent reason so I wanted to ask about that too.

A tech weighs them and all is going good, and then what appears to be two more techs come in to do the exam. Going to school to be a vet tech myself, I have no problem with this. However, I think one of them may have been the vet that also works there? Which makes this sadder. Anyways, They start looking over my rats, honestly not super thoroughly unless I didn't notice?

They do Gaz first. The tumor as I already noticed moves around and feels kind of fatty. Good signs. However, they say they can't biopsy because if it's infection based it could make her septic? So they don't know for sure if it's benign or not so basically all I learned was yeah, it looks like a mammary tumor. :/ Now for the crappy part: they said they could remove it and recommended spaying her at the time of removal. But THEY DON'T DO SPAYS ON RATS? How are you a vet that agrees to do surgery on a rat if you can't spay them? Am I wrong here or if you do any surgery should you be confident in spays and neuters? I mean you're already in there, do you not know where their uterus is? It especially made me mad because they strongly recommend a spay at the same time as removal, can't spay, and told me to schedule a removal with them anyways? They said they don't know anyone who spays around here which makes sense because I think I have the only pet rats in western ky. O-o I had to drive an hour to get food for them and the store was out of it. But that's not the point. You're an exotic vet, you should be able to spay a rat. My old vet saw my rats for a checkup but didn't specialize in exotic pets so it made sense for her not to spay them. But this vet makes no sense to me. (I still love them for my dog, but not my rats).

Anyways, so they gave me an estimate and told me I'd need to find a specialist if I wanted her spayed. They said they could send the tumor to a lab to see what it is so I would know. But I'm not sure what that gets me. I can't afford to chase around tumor after tumor, it would be a one time thing which is why I don't want to make her go through surgery to have another pop up in its place which is why I'm not sure If I should remove it now. I just can't put her through all that nonsense. I really wanted to know before I chose to operate.

So on to Porro, their answer to why she was fat was literally she's just fat. She needs less treats, but she gets the same as the other two so she must be an easy keeper like my horse. I'm super glad nothing appears to be wrong with her, but seeing as all they did was palpate her I don't really trust that answer. Don't you need to run some sort of test to rule out a thyroid condition?

So on to Feta mcsneezles, they told me she sounded fine. Which is bologna! I rat phoned her and could hear her breathing and they used a stethoscope and heard nothing? Are they sure they know what they're doing? She had sticky sounding sneezes the whole time we were there! But I guess to cover their tracks they prescribed me an antibiotic so I was happy I'd have one on hand so whatever.

So I get home $140 later and I realize they prescribed me Clavamox. For SECONDARY INFECTIONS. What am I supposed to do with that?!!?!?! I specifically asked about Doxy for MYCO. They looked at me funny so they probably don't even know what that is and gave me Clavamox for a URI. And there's no expiration date on it so if my rat's ever get sick I don't even know if I can use the stuff. My old vet gave Feta Doxy and Baytril and she hadn't even seen a rat in years!! Ugh....

I guess I'm mostly upset because I'm trying to be the best rat owner ever but nothing is available to me. I have to special order their paper shavings for pete's sake!!! Which cookie decided to eat yesterday so now she gets to be in a crate and I have no shavings. :( I can't find a vet that knows a rat from a hamster and everybody looks at me like I'm crazy when I want them seen by a vet. I don't know if I trust this vet after that visit to remove her tumor. They say they have the safest anesthesia but how would they know? They prescribed clavamox for myco and said Feta sounded fine.

I basically left $140 poorer and none the wiser. Porro is fat, Gaz has a tumor, and Feta is sneezing but "seems fine". I spent $140 to learn why I went to the vet. WHY DO I KNOW MORE THAN THE VET? ugh......Sorry this turned into a rant, but I really need advice.

Do I have them remove the tumor, knowing I can't do it again, she might die on the table and it could come right back? Or do I hope it grows slowly and give her an awesome life with what I have to offer, because nobody around here has anything for rats except poison. :( I'm freaking out.
 

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Concerning antibiotics for your rats, you can buy them all online without a prescription. I have a great vet and the money to go see him is not a problem. However, where I live there can be lots of snow for days, or my rats could get sick while my vet is out of the office or on vacation...he is the only vet I trust with my rats. For those reasons I always have amoxicillin, Baytril, and doxycycline on hands. Let me know if you want me to post the links of where I get them. A vet is always better, but if you don't have one that is rat savvy- better be prepared for URI and pneumonia/mycoplasma. Of course you will still have to find a vet for the tumor removal. Do you know if the vet you wanted to see is good with tumor removal in rats?
 

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I would love those links, thank you! :D

And I'm not sure if they're any good or not. I didn't see the main vet that day to talk to her about rats, and I think she would do the procedure. But the general lack of knowledge of the people who did look at my rats just made me nervous.
 

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Bumping this post.

Sorry I don't have much input about the tumor situation... but I would also appreciate some links to purchase antibiotics online.
 

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It appears that they are out of the doxysyrup. They should have more within the next 7-10 days. There are also doxycycline pills, it is cheaper than buying doxysyrup if you have more than a few rats but it means you will have to crush it and compound it yourself. I bought some of them for next time I might need them. I haven't tried to crush them yet so I cannot say if it is easy or not. I will try in the next couple of days and report my experience with them.
 

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Thanks a lot, Gribouilli. Finding all this product and dosing information is a pain in the butt.

I'll keep a look out for your post!
 

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OK tumor removal. Benign tumors are not full of infection they are fleshy ugly masses. You don't need an FNA (fine needle aspiration/"biopsy"?) unless you thnk its an abscess or cysts, but a fatty tumour that looks like a mammary tumour is most likely that.

Them saying she would need a spay at the same but not being able to offer it was kinda stupid on their part...if they said something like "we recommend a spay after the removal to lessen any chances of more tumours, but unfortunately we would not be able to do it.." that would be OK. A typical mammary tumour removal is messy but easier than a spay, its all under the skin. A spay goes into the body cavity and is a lot more invasive. You don't want an inexperienced vet spay your girls so its better to just remove tumour and that's it. Where is the tumour located? Behind her arm, on her side/flank or in her groin area?

Fat girl...some girls are. I had a girl e-spayed because she was either pregnant (no clue how) or had a closed pyometra...I wouldn't stress too much, it sounds like she's just a bit stocky :)

Resp infection. It could be nasal congestion you are hearing, which can fool you into thinking its coming from the lungs...one way if you aren't sure is hold rat's side to your ear and try to cover the rats nose with your fingers...if you hear the breathing become silent its in the nose. Its very hard to describe this sorry.
Clavamox is basically super charged amoxicillin so its not quite as bad as you think. Now if they had given you TMZ I would've despaired right along with you!

Btw check out Calvet Supply for some meds that are cheaper than the other links.
 

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Thanks Gribouilli. :) I appreciate the advice and the links. I have found an exotic pet specialist type of vet about two hours away and have called them for an estimate. If I can afford it I plan to drive down there and get the tumor removed and have her spayed.

lilspaz68: The tumor is under her right armpit sort of but it moves around easily. I am thinking it is almost definitely benign so that's good. Also thanks for the nasal congestion advice I'll have to listen to Feta again like you said. :) Hopefully Porro is just fat.
 
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