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Hi!

I'm new here. I decided to join in case I had a need for support from the rat community when I got my rats.... and sure enough I'm glad I did! I adopted two adorable little ratties named Nyx and Artemis just the other day, and I today noticed that there is a little bump on Nyx. I just got them yesterday afternoon, and the breeder told me they are both girls, so of course I'm a little concerned and confused.

Here is the best picture I managed to get of Nyx's bottom. Finger Hand Nail Skin Mouth To me, this looks like a boy. However, I'm not familiar enough with rats, and the breeder was not much help (I sent this pic to her in a text and she told me to wait and see! But I have another girl rat and I don't want to keep them by themselves for too long while waiting to see what does or doesn't develop!). So if anyone can let me know what they think is up with Nyx, I'd be very grateful!

These are the babies. Artemis on the left and Nyx on the right. They are so cute, but very timid: Degu Rat Muridae Animal shelter polecat
 

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to me that looks like a little boy, i would question your breeder though if they breed they should be able to tell before adopting them out yours sounds like someone who just threw two rats togeather for money and claimed to be a breeder they are super cute by the way
 

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better safe than sorry, I'd split them for the time being and if you'd still like to keep them together I'd suggest getting Artemis spayed. (Love the names btw)
 

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could you get a clearer shot of the belly (i know its hard with wiggly babies) kind of straight onto it rather than at an angle.

The sure fire way of telling is looking for nipples , girls this age have them. They should also have a small opening below the bump of the urethra which is the vagina, it might be closed at this age but its normally noticable, a boy doesnt have this extra opening.
 

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Thanks for the help!

Here is a pic I managed to get straight on, but it's very not very good even though my friend was helping me by holding the baby while I tried to take a picture.
Hand Finger Nail Cat Gerbil I know it's not very clear, but it kind of looks like it might be cryptochidism..... but still, not being hands on familiar with rat anatomy and having the bump only on one side, I just don't know for sure what's up!
 

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Me too :/ I'm so sad because Iddon't want to rehome artemis so soon, but she has a good place waiting for her. (sorry for the ttypos, my phone isn't cooperating), but Iam already llooking into getting a sweet little boy to be nyx's companion. I just need to sendthe breeder my application. She already kknows I'm interested. Nyx will only have to be alone for the quarantine period and then everyone should be happy.
 

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I'm looking into neutering him- going to talk to the exotic specialist at my vet when she's in next week (unfortunately, she's only in the area every other week! I don't live in a city that deals with a large population of pocket pet owners). I'm sending in an application to a nearby breeder because I was initially I interested in adopting siamese dumbo girls from her, but she currently had a little boy available so I need to decide if I want to risk the surgery for nyx and keep artemis with me or adopt the cute little Russian blue boy she currently has up for adoption and take artemis to live with her sister at my friend's house. If I didn't have a good place for her to go, I wouldn't even contemplate neutering nyx, I'd get it done! But he's so little right now and surgery worries me.
 

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I'm looking into neutering him- going to talk to the exotic specialist at my vet when she's in next week (unfortunately, she's only in the area every other week! I don't live in a city that deals with a large population of pocket pet owners). I'm sending in an application to a nearby breeder because I was initially I interested in adopting siamese dumbo girls from her, but she currently had a little boy available so I need to decide if I want to risk the surgery for nyx and keep artemis with me or adopt the cute little Russian blue boy she currently has up for adoption and take artemis to live with her sister at my friend's house. If I didn't have a good place for her to go, I wouldn't even contemplate neutering nyx, I'd get it done! But he's so little right now and surgery worries me.
my boy was barely 12 weeks when i got him done last week, i was worried also but he is doing really good
 

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my boy was barely 12 weeks when i got him done last week, i was worried also but he is doing really good
My boy is maybe five weeks? Right now he appears to only have one testicle, I'm hoping the other drops soon, but if it doesn't the surgery will be more invasive complicated. Some vets around here have exotic specialists, but I'm not sure how experienced they are. I know the one lady I'm waiting on talking to specializes in avian.

I'm quite angry at the breeder for doing this to me, but hopefully I find out the best, least risky solution for my poor babies. I really do want to keep both, but I don't want to endanger nyx's life (I very well could be worrying over nothing!) So hopefully, now that it's pretty clear nyx is male, the specialist can see him and recommend what the best course of action is!
 

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Okay, I got everything worked out! My girl is going to my friend's house to live with her rats and I'm keeping my boy. I just got approved for the adoption of an adorable seven week old male Russian Blue and the breeder is very helpful and willing to give me advice. Thanks to her, I now know that for health reasons I will have to get him neutered when he is old enough and she will be giving me information on her vet who is very experienced with treating pocket pets!

Thanks for the advice everybody! Quick replies from very experience rat owners. This forum certainly is helpful/reassuring, and I plan on visiting often to make sure I'm doing the best I can for my new furry friends.
 

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That’s sounds like the best solution all round.

Just for information, you don’t have to get bucks neutered for health reasons, though on average a neutered buck lives a couple of months longer than one not neutered. Its not a massive difference and there are surgery risks, rats can die in surgery though thankfully not that common with a good vet, they can also get abscesses and such post-surgery (which are usually very manageable). Still it’s a legitimate choice for boys and one worth considering if you’re not planning on breeding from the ever. I just want to make sure you know it’s a choice that carries risks as well.

In terms of neuter age, I would leave them until around 6 months, that gives them time to grow into healthy boys and start filling out before you take away there testosterone. It will basically help there muscle tone and fitness to leave it a bit later.
 

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Thanks for the info! I really appreciate all the info and advice I can get :) I actually looked into getting the other boy in the first place because I consider neutering an unnecessary risk. But nyx is a chriptorchid, that is why she recommended I get him neutered between 12 and 16 weeks of age.
 

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true that would make sense, interestingly my brother had that issue as a baby.

I hope it works out, or even better things descend on there own and he doesnt have to have surgery so young, but if hes a breeder lad he should be a good size at that age.
 

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I'm really hoping for things to decend on their own! He's so tiny that I'm worried he won't be big enough. The new boy I'm getting soon is seven weeks old and is coming from the only reputable rat breeder near me. I'm going to take size reference photos of him to compare to Nyx when he hits the same age just to track his growing (I'm thinking putting them in the large food bowl and taking pictires). I feed Nyx Oxbow for adult rats, and have been giving him small pieces of chicken because I know babies and adolescents need more protein.

isamu, do you have any suggestions on what protein foods and how often I should be giving him to make sure he's getting what he needs to grow? I don't want to cause him to get fat!
 

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At 5 weeks he needs a fair bit more protien than oxbow adult will provide. I'd be giving him a good high protien meal once a day alongside his nuggets. around 1 desert spoon full should be enough as he will be fairly small but give him the amount he can eat in half a day then give the amount of oxbow he can eat the other half of the day. One of the best high protien foods is egg. i feed it scrambled, soaked in bread and microwaved, added to a bit of cooked rice or quinoa and cooked through abs even while boiled though that's a lot for him right now. tinned fish is also very useful. Go for things like sardines in tomato sauce or pilchards rather than tuna to often and avoid anything in brine or oil. chicken on the bone is brill. At this age the bones are especially useful and can be left for him to chew for a while. seafood generally is good but he may be funny about trying things like prawns ad they are an odd texture.

You should also give him regular dark green leafy veg, just a pinch at first then build up a little. This is things like kale, dandelion, spring greens, pak choi and the dark leaves of savoy cabbage.

If he starts looking tubby then you can cut back to every other day but he's about to go through his first moult and a big growth spurt. At around 7 to 8 weeks i cut back to twice a week extras replacing some of the adult food then at around 10 weeks i stop and just give them 1 or 2 meals if there tail looks a bit Square or there coat looks scruffy and long.
 

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Thanks! Before I got my baby, I researched how to best go about supplementing the Oxbow for baby rats. I could only find lists of food- not anything that had a detailed feeding routine.

I work at a deli, so I bring him home wings from a rotisserie chicken. He loves the bones! We have a kale salad, too. Which I'd been planning on setting aside some without the onions and dressing. He hordes the Oxbow, so I will probably start putting that in a small bowl and use the big bowl to set out his daily fresh protein foods. I'm going to go make some scrambled eggs for him right now! (well, for someone else in my family and give him his small portion with a little bit of leafy greens and fresh cooked chicken)
 
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