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There have been numerous fights here, the most common one being the fact that when newbie’s ask for help they don’t take the advice given and the one giving the advice gets bashed for getting aggravated with them. Yeah, we should be nice to these new members but they should show the same courtesy! What the **** is this forum coming to!? We have people breeding pet store rats just do it, even trying to pass some of them off at "oops" litters when they obviously weren’t, because if they were responsible rat owners they wouldn’t have gotten a female and male rat or they would have had their rats fixed. I know people on here who really did have “oops” litters and Im not attacking you, Im talking about the members on here who go from forum to forum asking the same questions hoping for the answers they WANT to hear so that they can feel better about the idea of breeding these animals.
People are asking for help and we are trying our hardest to get through to them for the safety of their animals! They don’t take our advise...they give excuses! Then why ask for help if, either way, you’re not going to do anything about it?! We even give out advice to help you deal with the problems yourself, at home, so that you wouldn’t have to go to the vet, especially if you are low on money. YOU STILL DONT DO ANYTHING! Im sick of it!
 

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Over time this place has gotten worst and worst! What the **** is going on!? When did our pet rats become less important? I'm shocked! People here are still using tanks to house rats (other than breeding)! We try to tell these people, and yet they still do it. I understand if someone needs to for help more than once, but they don’t even do as their told! It’s the same situation over and over and over.
Why are people getting rats and not doing the research before hand? Why are you getting rats if you don’t have money, or transportation, or a vet that deals with rats, at hand? Why do you think its okay to not do anything when your baby needs your help! WHY!? It would be different if all these people got of off their ass’s and did something about their problems instead of spending all their time typing about what they are “going” to do. Do it already. You are dealing with a life! I'm through with being nice, sitting back and hoping something good happens in the end. I'm not that person. I stand up for what I believe and I don’t care if feelings get hurt and I don’t care if anyone hates me. I love animals, even ones that aren’t mine, and if I have to fight for life that I’m not responsible for, then bring it on! I care! I care enough to post this thread and spill my heart out. I'm trying to open your eyes…to realize that sometimes you need to take a stand for what is right.
 

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If you have pets and you don’t have money to care for them, then GET A JOB!
If you don’t have a car to take them to a vet, then TAKE THE **** BUS!
If you “think” there are no vets in your area that treat rats, then LOOK IN THE PHONE BOOK OR CALL AROUND! Find one. ****, even a normal vet, if it’s an emergency, can take a look at the rat and make a decent call.
Don’t breed pet store rats. Don’t house rats in Tanks. Don’t feed crap food. Don’t use pine or cedar bedding. Take your pets the vets if it’s needed. Don’t house males and females together. Don’t argue with someone who’s trying to help you and your rat. Or better yet, don’t get pets if you can’t handle them!!!
 

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This is why I only have boys, I don't want oops litters or to be too tempted to try to breed. I've thought about possibly breeding in the far far future, but not until I've done plenty of research about the genetics of rats. I read a great article about breeding two beautiful blue dumbo rats and getting a full litter of agouti kittens with regular ears, not being able to adopt any of them out, etc. If you're breeding for looks or markings then you really have to learn a lot about the genetics.

But of course I'd want to be a more experienced rat owner first. I've only had rats for a little over a year now. All of my boys came from stores and I'd never consider breeding them, mostly because they've struggled with URI and I don't want to pass on any weird things they might carry. I know all rats carry Myco, but you really don't want to pass on the genetics of a rat that constantly flares up with sickness.
 

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I haven't been here that long, and most of that time was more lurking than posting, but even I'm frustrated with people who just refuse to listen, refuse to take the advice that EVERYONE gives, refuse to do the right thing for their rats.

What really gets me is how some people just won't take their rats to the vet when they need it. If you really love and care about your pets - no matter what kind of pet, no matter how "cheap" you can buy them at the store, no matter how big or small - they NEED veterinary care when health problems come up. If you can't figure out some way to get to a vet and pay for it, you should not have ANY pets.

The breeding thing is a really fresh sore spot for me. Someone I know decided to get rats after hearing me talk about them so much. He got a decent cage, nice stuff to put in it, listened to what I said about taking care of them, what to feed them, socializing them, and seemed to really care about doing the right thing for them. Now he's talking about breeding them. He got two girls, and a third last night, and told me his plan to get a male, impregnate the girls, feed the male to a snake, feed all of the male babies to a snake, and keep the females. Somehow, I cannot seem to talk him out of this. Nothing I say has changed his mind. I sent him some links today, including one to a thread on another forum I saw about stories of rat breeding gone wrong. Hopefully he will change his mind. (Also, he plans to feed his girls to the snake when they get old.)

I just can't understand some people. I can't understand why they get any animals.
 

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Kuddos to you JennieLove!!!!

When I first got ratsys it was when I was in 3rd-4th grade. We had 2 females as class pets and one day after summer vacation we found out that instead of 2 we had 20!!! (I don't remember the exact number...) But when the babys were old enough the teacher said as long as our parents called and said it's ok we could take as many as they allowed. Before then I read at least 12 defferent books on how to care for, what to feed and how to house the new ratsy. My mom let me get one girl and that's how it started for me. No one told me to read up on ratsys I just went to the school library and my local library and read stuff all on my own.

And you know what all that reading really paid off. :)

Ok I'm done.
 

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Feel free to add as much as you want! Its good to hear I'm not alone in this. I, as well as a few of my good friends here, have tried so hard to be nice and to give all we can to helping others...but to be treated as though nothing we say is important is heartbreaking and fustrating. I feel like if no one is willing to listen and speak up, then our pets arent going to get the care they deserve. I just feel this place is falling apart. Everyday I'm seeing posts that make me so mad with people, but I dont want to leave becuase I still want to help people.
 

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Same thing happens in yahoo chatrooms,over time the same people get to know each other too well and all **** breaks out.But I havent seen anyone be rude,or maybe im the one being rude and haven't realized it?haha
 

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People just arent listening is the thing. Some poeple here ask questions about rats that they should have obviously known before they decided to get rats as pets. Then they turn around and are doing the opposite of what advice has been given, or are doing nothing at all.
 

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People never like getting told theyre wrong,but those who don't,then dont need to ask questions unless they wish to get corrected.Personally if im wrong,I want to get TOLD so,so I can fix it.I'd look more like a fool not listening to experienced people telling me something than fixing it.
 

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The breeding thing is a really fresh sore spot for me. Someone I know decided to get rats after hearing me talk about them so much. He got a decent cage, nice stuff to put in it, listened to what I said about taking care of them, what to feed them, socializing them, and seemed to really care about doing the right thing for them. Now he's talking about breeding them. He got two girls, and a third last night, and told me his plan to get a male, impregnate the girls, feed the male to a snake, feed all of the male babies to a snake, and keep the females. Somehow, I cannot seem to talk him out of this. Nothing I say has changed his mind. I sent him some links today, including one to a thread on another forum I saw about stories of rat breeding gone wrong. Hopefully he will change his mind. (Also, he plans to feed his girls to the snake when they get old.)
[align=center]Why would he want to do that?! Why would he buy a male, then just feed him to a snake after he impregnates the females? And why would he want to feed all the male babies to a snake? Why doesn't he just buy some more females?? And why does he want to feed the girls to a snake when they get old!?![/align]
 

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Mana said:
The breeding thing is a really fresh sore spot for me. Someone I know decided to get rats after hearing me talk about them so much. He got a decent cage, nice stuff to put in it, listened to what I said about taking care of them, what to feed them, socializing them, and seemed to really care about doing the right thing for them. Now he's talking about breeding them. He got two girls, and a third last night, and told me his plan to get a male, impregnate the girls, feed the male to a snake, feed all of the male babies to a snake, and keep the females. Somehow, I cannot seem to talk him out of this. Nothing I say has changed his mind. I sent him some links today, including one to a thread on another forum I saw about stories of rat breeding gone wrong. Hopefully he will change his mind. (Also, he plans to feed his girls to the snake when they get old.)
[align=center]Why would he want to do that?! Why would he buy a male, then just feed him to a snake after he impregnates the females? And why would he want to feed all the male babies to a snake? Why doesn't he just buy some more females?? And why does he want to feed the girls to a snake when they get old!?![/align]
I don't even know ;_; I just can't understand it. He wants to breed more females "for variety" - I told him to just go out and get more females if he wants variety. He would feed the males to the snake so they don't impregnate their mothers/sisters... and he would feed them to the snake when they get old "to put them out of their misery"...

You have no idea how much this sickens me, and the *only* reason I still talk to him now is to try to talk him out of this. I thought I had until yesterday when he told me about his new dumbo girl, and I said I wish I had a dumbo... and he said he'd breed some... and then it started over ;_;
 

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Jennielove you're my new idol. I've been thinking this for a while, I'm a new enough member to but being a newbie doesn't give you the right to constantly make excuses! What really makes me angry is stupid posts like (this is just an odd example) my rat is bleeding from his eye balls do you think he needs vet care? COME ON WAKE UP PEOPLE. If you need to ask then the answer is automatically yes just to be on the safe side.
 

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renay(this is just an odd example) my rat is bleeding from his eye balls do you think he needs vet care? COME ON WAKE UP PEOPLE.

haha that question answers itself.
 

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Thats the point. People post questions in the health forum all the time that answer themselves and I'm also really sick of hearing the crap about we don't have the money to bring him to a vet, if that was a CHILD what would you do? It isn't even a question of responsibility its ETHICS. if your animal is sick you bring it to a vet, it can't bring itself :x this is something that has always made me angry.
 

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It's actually illegal to not take a animal to a vet and if he/she is suffering so yeah,not only that but if youre gonna buy any animal of any sort period,you should just acknowledge that theyre gonna get sick at some point and gonna need help.
 

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He would feed the males to the snake so they don't impregnate their mothers/sisters...
[align=center]Well, can't he just put the males in a different cage? ~_~[/align]


and he would feed them to the snake when they get old "to put them out of their misery"...
[align=center]That's weird. Wouldn't it be better to just let them die peacefully in their cage instead of being eaten by a hungry snake?[/align]


You have no idea how much this sickens me, and the *only* reason I still talk to him now is to try to talk him out of this. I thought I had until yesterday when he told me about his new dumbo girl, and I said I wish I had a dumbo... and he said he'd breed some... and then it started over ;_;
[align=center]Well if you convinced him before, maybe you can convince him again.[/align]
 

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I totally agree. People are ignorant.

Plus half of the time, those who defend their rats crap lifestyle, its because they are in denial. they want to look like a good owner, and cant admitt they did wrong.

I wont lie, i did a little research but not as much as i should have. I've had my own little messups but i learned and changed and i follow advice given to me.

People need to face the truth and change their rats life for the better.

If i piss anyone off or neglect advice or anything,p.m. me and yell. haha but i dont think i will
 
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