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Hello everyone!

My rats are so special! I thought I'd post pictures of them so that you can all enjoy seeing how cute they are!

I've found they love eating lot of things, they're so much fun! There are definately some foods they like more than others!

Enjoy the pictures and tell me how cute my rats are! :D :D :D :D :D
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Please don't pick them up by the tail... you could hurt them. :)
 

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They are very cute.
 

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No no no! Mine are the cutest rats in the whole world! Yours are pretty cute too though :) You even have one of those cute little guys in your avatar!
 

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Hmmm...what bedding/litter do you have them on? They are cute but if they are on softwoods the cuteness might end up with sickness.

that also is a very dirty enclosure, this isn't their cage is it? Just somewhere you put them for pics? 8O

Rats never have to be lifted by their tail, you can sometimes restrain by the tail if you grasp the very base. What you are doing is asking for a painful injury called degloving where the skin peels off the tail and usually the tail has to be amputated. Its nasty. :(

I take it when I see 6 rats there that the females and males are still together. My oops litter (adopted from shelter pregnant) was 13 babies. You could have 40 babies. There is no way you can socialize 40 babies properly to make 40 sweet adults that won't end up in shelters or in snake bellies for temperament issues. Most true breeders would only have 2 litters at a time because of the socialization issue.

How often do your rats come out of the cage? How much time do you spend handling them?
 

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they're very cute. ;]
the pic of you holding them by the tail makes me feel queasy, though.
you shouldn't do that, you could hurt them. =/
 

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lilspaz: the breeder had them on wood shavings, so I've kept them on wood shavings while they're settling in. I'm in the process of transferring them on to straw (currently they're on a mixture). They were sneezing a lot when I go them home, I was a bit worried and contacted the breeder, he said they do that when they're on fresh substrate. Hopefully they'll be better when they're off the shavings.

They're not usually all in there together, that was just for the picture, at the moment there are two pairs housed together and one pair housed in another enclosure, they usually have stuff to climb on.

In the labs and animal houses I've worked in rats were picked up by the tail all the time without any problem. The rats don't seem to mind at all. I did one have a rat's tail 'deglove' as you put it, about ten years ago when I caught a wild rat, I picked it up by the tail, it bit me and struggled, pulling the tail out of the skin, which is all I was left holding as the rat ran away. I assume captive rats have stronger tail skin than wild rats.

Well, I've had them for five days now and they still don't look pregnant, so maybe they won't breed anyway. If they do I hope the babies turn out as sweet as possible, and most probably won't end up in snake's bellies, at least for a while (I plan to grow some of them up and keep them, what happens to the ones I don't grow up myself and keep for a long time is a bit less certain I suppose, but that's life).

I don't spend very much time handling them, they have each other for socialising and they've been selectively bred to be friendly, so you don't have to handle them as much, which is convenient.

rat_ratscal: The cockroaches make them look so sweet! They sit there holding them in their hands while they much on them like little hamburgers! It's so cool! The rats come up and grab the cockroaches out of my hands and run away to eat them :) They try to steal each others' cockroaches too! Sometimes they rip them in half and share them!
 

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Straw doesn't really absorb much so it won't help for odor, perhaps you ought to consider an alternative.

Picking them up by the tail can harm pet rats as easily as the wild ones.

Most rats don't show pregnancy until they're three weeks along.

To be 'people-socialized' they have to be handled. Selective breeding does nothing if they aren't held.
 

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What alternative might be good? Newspaper is a good substrate, isn't it? What about apple cores and/or egg shells? Although I suppose egg shells would be even less absorbant than straw. Maybe egg cartons would work well? I'm still pretty new to all this stuff!

Oh! I hope my rats don't ever have the tail skin problem! That'd be terrible :(

Um... don't rats have a three week gestation period? I thought that's what I read somewhere. Wouldn't that mean you can't see that they're pregnant until they're actually in labour? How long does labour last for rats?

These ones had never been handled before I got them, the breeder said he never handles any of them except for a couple of his favourite ones, and he had heaps of rats, I don't think he could have handled all of them even if he'd wanted to. My ones are really cute and friendly, and they've probably only been held and played with about three or four times in their whole lives! He said he used to cull any which bit him or ate their babies, so that all of the rats he bred would be friendly and good mothers without needing to be played with. I suppose the generations of careful breeding have saved him a lot of handling time in the long run. I've contacted the breeder a couple of times, he has been really helpful and gives me lots of useful information.
 

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Er, no, something like aspen shaving, Carefresh, or Yesterday's News works best.

Sorry, that was meant to be TWO weeks, not three, my mistake, I apologize. Although some rats do spring the surprise labor on newer owners, it seems.

Quite honestly your breeder sounds like a very poor breeder.
 

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I don't know if aspen shaving is available here, I have no idea what Carefresh. Yesterday's News? As in using the previous day's newspaper? I heard about using scraps like corn cobs and apple cores, is that a good idea? Now that I think about it, egg shells was a completely stupid idea! Would they eat them though?

Why does my breeder sound bad? He is a really nice guy and knows a lot about rats!
 

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They do have nice coloring. And in the third picture, on of your rats thats looking at the camera, looks kinda like it has a raccoon marking. Around his face.

Shouldn't this also be in the Meet my Rats section?
 

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These ones had never been handled before I got them, the breeder said he never handles any of them except for a couple of his favourite ones, and he had heaps of rats,
That is reason number one he's a bad breeder. He has 'heaps' of rats that he can't take care of or handle properly.



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He said he used to cull any which bit him or ate their babies,
Just because a rat bit him does not mean it should be murdered, nor if a mother can't handle the number of babies she has does that mean that she should be murdered.




Find a new breeder, one that doesn't have tons of rats at once and that has information agreeing with what we say here. Picking a rat up by a tail is an emergency option only, and then it must be quick and as close to the base of the tail as possible. Not only is degloving a possibility but the rat will be very uncomfortable as it will have nothing to plant it's feet on and will result in an unfriendly and untrusting rat.
 

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your breeder sounds bad because he does not handle his rats, he kulls the babies and has he has too many. i don't know what type of food he feeds or the bedding he uses but i woldn't trust what he says. also, if he supplies a pet store then he most definately is NOT ethical and has no way of finding out any health issues for the line. just because he has a lot does not mean that he knows a lot. even if he's had them a long time doesn't mean nuch, all that time he could be doing things wrong.

rats can have a natural talent to be friendly but they aren't going to be all that they could be without human interaction. also, why would you get a pet that you aren't going to interact with anyway? what's the point?

yesterday's news in the name a pelleted cat litter. its old newpapers made into pellets. its probably the best there is for litter. its super absorbant and completely harmless for the rats. you can normally find this in feed stores or just about any pet store. same with carefresh which is another paper based bedding but is loose instead of pelleted. its better then the newpaper you get in the morning to read but doesn't normally last as lon as YN.

corncob and apple cores would rot or be eaten and neither would be good at odor control.

picking up a pet rat by the tail is harmful and completely unnesscary. they can loose their tail just as easily as the wild ones and they will begin to trust you less because you hurt them when you handle them. it's like being lifted up by a chuck of your hair, it hurts!
 

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so you said that two of your rats live in that enclousure? look in the rat homes section to see pics of our cages, which are all good sized unless it says otherwise, good luck!

this cage is only big enough for 2 rats
 

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Hippy: yes! I absolutely adore the raccoon markings! That girl has such a pretty raccoon face, but I'm told that it's just because she is moulting and that it will go away :( The breeder's wife told me that sometimes they keep the raccoon faces when they're older and sometimes they don't. That one is my favourite, I hope she keeps hers!

Vixie: the breeder's rats are all friendly and trusting, even without handling, and they are all handled by tailing.

Maybe in a perfect world the bitey rats and the ones which eat their babies would be given good homes, but I think his philosophy is that they should never be bred and there are too many rats in the world for them all to have loving homes. It's not a perfect world and that wasn't his philosophy, so they were culled. Not everyone in this world is going to share your philosophy or mine, I can't change that even if I want to, and we have to accept that.

I don't need to find a new breeder in a hurry, I'm not racing out to obtain more rats, I already have six and apparently I might have another 40-60 adorable little babies on the way!
 

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twitch: the rats don't need to be handled to be happy, they play with each other and seem to be very content little critters :) Without any handling they're still very good with people, mine had never been held (other than picked up by the tail) and were immediately very friendly with me. The rats don't need to be handled to be happy, he is producing rats which are friendly pets if you want them to be, but will be happy even if you don't want to handle them. Perhaps it would be cruel to keep them alone, I don't know. I was flamed for putting them all together!

He certainly had a lot, but I don't think he necessarily had 'too many'; they were all well cared for, all very healthy. He gives them the type of food that laboratories give their rodents, which is designed to be a complete healthy diet for rats and mice of all ages. I suspect that there may not be enough protein in it for the reproductive females, so I'll supplement their diets with cockroaches. I'm told that the substrate might not be ideal and so I'm not using it any more, I'm using straw and egg shells.

rat_ratscal: My rats would be so jealous of that house! It looks like so much fun for them! :)
 

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Straw and egg shells sound HORRIBLY uncomfortable. :(
 
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