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I have recently introduced a pair to my existing pair of boys, they got on fine for the first week but its recently come to my attention that one of the new boys; Lionel, is bullying both of my existing boys.

My existing boys, Mylo and Rahzel have been attacked and Rahzel has actually got a little nip in his ear and had dried blood below it.

The new pair, Lionel and Gunther get on fine with eachother. Gunther gets on fine with Mylo and Rahzel but Lionel is a differen't story.

I've separated Lionel to his own cage where he can not do any harm, I dont know wether to get him neutered or not, there must be something else I can try to calm him? Also, he is the only rat who will persitantly bite my finger when I put it through the cage mesh, the others sniff it and at worse give it a tiny nip. I even "squeel" to let him know I'm not liking the biting but he still does it.

It also gets a little bit more complicated.... The reason I have separated Lionel completely and not paired him with Gunther who he gets on with is because Gunther stop Rahzel and Mylo fighting!! Gunther is a sweety in all this, he's the only one who doesn't fight and is by far the least shy out of the four.

I don't know if it helps but when grouped together, the hierarchy seems to be in this order:

1. Lionel
2. Gunther
3. Rahzel
4. Mylo

Any suggestions to get Lionel to stop attacking Rahzel and Mylo would be great, he needs calming, he only bites when I put my finger in the cage, he's fine when he's out playing or cuddling me.
 

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Could you try re-introducing them, one on one? That way you can watch how they interact. A little bit of tussling is normal, and the nicked ear may have been an accident. In a one-on-one situation you can watch and see how much aggression is there, though poofing the fur, crabwalking, hissing, etc.

If he's very agressive he may need a neuter.

As for the biting through the bars, he may just be stubborn about thinking you're food... or he could be cage-aggressive.
 

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Well when I've watched him he's not ultra aggressive no, what he'll do is walk around the cage while my original two, Mylo and Rahzel will go and hide somewhere, normally separately, then we he goes near them to investigate, they will squeel while he just stands and stares at them. Mylo wont fight but rahzel gets in on hind legs, then Lionel will follow and a fight will normally erupt between them. Mylo and Rahzel seem to really fear him.

He hasn't hurt Mylo yet, even though Mylo makes a lot of fuss when he comes near, I think its the fact that Rahzel stands up to him which causes the fighting. If I put something on him to make him smell different to the others and reintroduced him do you think this might help?

The other 3 were very well behaved last night without him and all of them seemed happy and relaxed. Its the complete opposite and soon as he's present.
 

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You could try dabbing all of them with vanilla and trying it again.

Really, unless they're drawing blood, boxing and some minor tussles are to be expected.
 

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Well yeah this is it, the bite to rahzel's ear did draw blood. When I found him he seemed fine in character but there was a line of dried blood that had dripped from his ear. He has also bled on my bed too from a cut to his nose, he's a pretty tough guy so he didn't seem bothered by his war scars but its not nice to see blood coming from any pet is it.

I may try the vanilla thing again, it seemed to work well when they were first introduced.
 

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UPDATE:

This issue is still not resolved, my original pair and the new pair are now separated permanently, when they come out to play with eachother the same thing happens.

Lionel, the naughty rat is still "nippy", he is curious to come and sit on me and clean himself but he hates being picked up, I did forced socialisation with him and it worked a treat, after 20 mins he was bruxing as I stroked him, am I gonna have to repeat this again and again until me and him have a good relationship?

Then theres the main problem that my original boys; Mylo and Rahzel seem to hate just the sight of him!, Mylo gets stressed straight away and squeels for ages, so I don't let them get near eachother anymore, Rahzel is not as bad but still squeels every time Lionel gets a bit too close.

They are all much more relaxed as two separate pairs, maybe I should just accept this and bring them out separately in pairs for playtime too. Such a shame though since Gunther; Lionels brother gets on fine with Rahzel and Mylo
 
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