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Hello there, I'm fairly new here so I'm sorry for any errors. Also, I'm French, so sorry again for any writing mistakes.

So, on to the story...

Well, I own 5 awesome boys. No idea what their age is. I believe the youngers are 4-6 months old, can't be sure; and I think..The older is the Blue Roan, Minou, aged 2 yo. Then there's Moreau, 1 1/2 yo, and Anduin, 1 yo. All supposed. Not sure.

I was perfectly happy with my first three boys, all adults. They love each other, can't be separated, friends til death.
The Fawn Hooded, Anduin, is the dominant of the cage. He's not a bad one, just a little...too vehement. Not a drop of blood spent, just that sometimes, he can INSIST on pinning one of the other two even if they are on their back, so there's squealing and pushing, nothing bad, really.

But there was a problem.

Three baby boys were given to me. They were very young, two months old at the most.

I let them rest, of course. No need to quarantine except for the albino, I know perfectly where they came from, I know the mom and the dad for the first two but not the albino. Quarantined.

Two days after, I'm introducing them to the big boys (of course in a pure neutral environment.)

All is perfectly well. They sniff, pin each other, Anduin asserts his dominance but, really softly with them. All goes so well, I'm fine with letting them on a cage together (a big one but not used, or only for good reason, like a sick one, something like that.)

All goes well..No screaming, squeaking, nothing.

But then... I went to see if all went fine...

One of the boys was dead.

I don't know what happened. If Anduin killed him I should have heard something...Anything. And nothing...Not a sound...

But he was dead, and all bloody (sorry for the details...) on the belly, the ears, the head.

The other was badly bitten. Ugly bite marks, bloody on his back.

I immediately removed him from the cage, and put him alone until the quarantine of the albino was finished (turned out he's perfectly fine and they live together now, they LOVE each others, like brothers.)

So,know, I'm scared. I don't know what to do. I have a really big cage, meant for 11 rats, and I was dreaming to see them all chill inside... But with Anduin, I can't be sure....

What do you think...? Is it too risky to attempt another go, now they're bigger ?

With the other two big males, no problem. Almost everyday, I let them play outside their cage, no problem ! They run, play fighting, all is good.

But with the dominant....

I certainly won't, and NEVER WILL, abandon him. He is my boy. He loves us. He's all cuddly, licking, grooming us. I love him to death.

Sorry for the long text and again, apologies for any mistakes.

Don't hesitate to ask questions.

Thank you very much.
 

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Hi and welcome, and sorry for it to be under such grim circumstances. I'm so sorry for what you had to experience. I have never had to deal with such a situation, but I'm sure there are others here who will be able to give you sound advice.

How old are the babies now?
 

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Hi and welcome, and sorry for it to be under such grim circumstances. I'm so sorry for what you had to experience. I have never had to deal with such a situation, but I'm sure there are others here who will be able to give you sound advice.

How old are the babies now?
Hello Tinytoes, and thank you for all your kind words, it really warms my heart... <3


As I said,I can't be sure of their age, but now the babies are 4 to 6 months old. Tripled in size, almost adult but they're still all babies to me xD <3
 

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Hello and Welcome to the Forum.I am so sorry you have gone through this.I had an experience several years ago where my rat killed a babyrat in my arms,with no warning,the baby had a heart condition so Sapphire probaby sensed that she was weak and would be a liability to the group.I know how horrible it feels,it took me a year to get over it.I never dared do any more intros whilst Sapphire was still alive,and she was the sweetest rat with us and other rats.
I would not risk any more intros with Anduin,can he live separately with a friend he already knows for company?
 

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Sometimes all I can say is 'Oh Wow' to situations like this. I'm so sorry for this traumatic experience. You must be jolted. Like you, I've loved all my boys, and I commend you for understanding and continuing to love Anduin-a beautiful name by the way-after this. I wouldn't attempt any intros with him again. Although not ideal, there are worst things for a sadly proven violent rat than limited social interaction. A loving relationship with you is most important for him, I think. Give yourself a chance to recover from this. I would be a basket case meself. All of my boys have been loving brothers, with the usual adolescent boxing and wrestling of course. Again, so sorry. May your continued journey on the Way of the Rat be happy and peaceful!
 

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I've been thinking a great deal about these incidents of rat violence. It strikes me that as alike as we and our children are in so many ways, we can be profoundly, sometimes shockingly different. And still we truly, genuinely love each other. A mystery. Zen? I really don't know...
 

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Hello and Welcome to the Forum.I am so sorry you have gone through this.I had an experience several years ago where my rat killed a babyrat in my arms,with no warning,the baby had a heart condition so Sapphire probaby sensed that she was weak and would be a liability to the group.I know how horrible it feels,it took me a year to get over it.I never dared do any more intros whilst Sapphire was still alive,and she was the sweetest rat with us and other rats.
I would not risk any more intros with Anduin,can he live separately with a friend he already knows for company?
Hello SonicRat and thank you for your kind words. I'm really touched by the sweetness here... And sorry, so sorry about your baby.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe the boy was sick, after all, I really don't know.

Yes, Anduin lives with Moreau and Minou, and they can't be separated, they love each other those three :)

Thanks for your advices !!!!! <3
 

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Sometimes all I can say is 'Oh Wow' to situations like this. I'm so sorry for this traumatic experience. You must be jolted. Like you, I've loved all my boys, and I commend you for understanding and continuing to love Anduin-a beautiful name by the way-after this. I wouldn't attempt any intros with him again. Although not ideal, there are worst things for a sadly proven violent rat than limited social interaction. A loving relationship with you is most important for him, I think. Give yourself a chance to recover from this. I would be a basket case meself. All of my boys have been loving brothers, with the usual adolescent boxing and wrestling of course. Again, so sorry. May your continued journey on the Way of the Rat be happy and peaceful!
Hello RatPappy and thank you very much for your kind words, it warms my heart !

Yeah, Anduin was the first name I got in my head, he's a beautiful fawn hooded,his golden hairs the same blonde as Anduin Wrynn ^^

Well, he loves the other two big males, and is not alone at all, but heh, I believe the dream that I had of one big group is forgotten now ^^"

Thank you again, really <3 <3 <3 Thanks for everything
 

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I have been successful with neutering aggressive males. Also, no matter if you know where the rats come from, you should still quarantine for a minimum of 2 weeks. Sick rats can look healthy until it's too late. Just my opinion as a long time Rat Dad.
 
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