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Pet Rat virus just discovered in Illinois and Wisconsin

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#1 ·
(CNN)The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed Friday that pet rats are the source of an outbreak of Seoul virus infections in Illinois and Wisconsin. The virus has been confirmed in eight patients in an ongoing investigation.

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The recent cases are "the first human cases we've seen in the United States associated with pet rats," said Dr. Jennifer McQuiston, a veterinarian and deputy division director for CDC's division of high consequent pathogens and pathology. Several previous outbreaks reported in the US occurred in wild rats.
"There was an outbreak reported in Europe previously associated with pet rats, so it's not the first time this has been associated with pets worldwide," McQuiston said.
Investigation in Wisconsin leads to Illinois
The initial patient in the current outbreak, a resident of Wisconsin, visited a hospital with flu-like symptoms, according to Stephanie Smiley, director of the bureau of communicable disease with Wisconsin Department of Health Services. The patient was a home-based rodent breeder.
Because of the patient's exposure to rodents, the doctor had a "hunch" to test for hantavirus, explained Smiley.

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Following a positive test result for hantavirus in late December, Wisconsin health officials sent a sample from the patient to the CDC along with a separate sample from a second patient -- a family member who also worked with rodents.
On January 11, the CDC confirmed infections with Seoul virus, a rodent-borne hantavirus, in both patients.
Though related, Seoul virus is considered different from hantavirus and it is not typically seen in the US, said McQuiston.
"This is typically associated with a milder illness than we think about with the classic hantavirus we talk about in the US, but it can be, in rare cases, associated with some more severe symptoms, such as renal disease," said McQuiston.
According to Smiley, symptoms of Seoul virus can include fever, chills, nausea, pink eye-type eye infection and abdominal pain. Though it rarely happens, a simple infection can progress to hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, which begins with fever, severe aches and fatigue, and may turn fatal.

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Seoul virus symptoms often develop within one to two weeks after contact, but can take as long as eight weeks to appear, said Smiley.
Both of the Wisconsin patients have since recovered, but the discovery of infection led to a follow-up investigation at several rat suppliers, which revealed an additional six cases of Seoul virus among workers at two Illinois breeding facilities, according to Melaney Arnold, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Public Health. She added these cases were confirmed by the CDC on January 18.
"Six people tested positive for Seoul virus, but only one experienced illness," said Arnold, explaining that five people showed no symptoms of the virus, which cannot be transmitted among people, regardless of whether symptoms are present or not. The one patient who became sick has since recovered.
Public health officials said that more ratteries and more infected people may be identified as the investigation proceeds.
A 'complicated' investigation
Usually people become infected when they come in contact with infectious fluids, such as blood, saliva and urine, from infected rats, or are bitten by them. Infected rats typically do not appear sick.
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Worldwide, the Seoul virus is carried by wild Norway rats.




Worldwide, the Seoul virus is carried by wild Norway rats, which first arrived on this continent during the late 1700s and then began to dominate urban centers throughout the country. Most infections among people have been reported in Asia.
"Illinois Department of Public Health is currently working with local health departments and the ratteries to identify clients and people who may have been exposed to the rats, but the total numbers are unknown," said Arnold. The state's health department is working with both the CDC and the Wisconsin Department of Public Health to try to identify the origin of the rats.
Meanwhile, the CDC is working with local and state health authorities in both states to continue testing rats and humans for Seoul virus infections.
McQuiston explained that the CDC has been tracing back to where rats may have come from, and tracing out to where rats may have gone from the facilities where Seoul virus infections occurred.

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"It's been fairly complicated," said McQuiston, adding that the CDC believes so far that the virus has not spread beyond or outside "the network that we're investigating right now."
Anyone who recently purchased a rat in the affected areas and experiences Seoul virus symptoms should contact their healthcare provider immediately.
People in Illinois and Wisconsin who have purchased or come in contact with rats from the affected breeders should contact their local or state health departments.
"Our general recommendation is that anybody who has a pet rodent or pet rat should be cognizant of good pet care behavior," said McQuiston.
Caring for a pet rat
To prevent diseases or infections carried by rats, people should wash their hands with soap and running water after touching or feeding rodents or cleaning their habitats. Children need to be assisted with their handwashing.

The virus hunters in search of the next outbreak


Whenever possible, pet owners should clean and disinfect rodent cages and supplies outside the home -- never perform this clean-up in the kitchen or bathroom. Wear gloves, if possible, to avoid coming into contact with droppings or urine.
Because pet rodents can shed germs and contaminate areas where they roam, make sure their cages are properly secured and safe.
Avoid bites and scratches from any rodent. Even if an animal seems friendly, be cautious. Routinely visit your veterinarian to keep a pet rodent healthy and disease-free.
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If bitten or scratched, wash the wound with warm soapy water immediately. Even healthy pets can carry germs.
See a doctor if the pet appears sick, if the wound is serious, if the wound turns red, painful, warm or swollen, if your last tetanus shot was more than five years ago or if you develop sudden fever or flu-like illness within two weeks after being bitten.
"We have seen occasional rare cases of Seoul virus infections in the US but those have not been linked to pet rodents. It's thought that they were more linked to wild rat exposure," said McQuiston. "We do know Seoul virus can circulate in wild rat populations -- really around the world. We don't really know how often or common it is, it's not a very well studied virus in that respect."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/health/pet-rats-seoul-virus-outbreak-cdc-bn/index.html
 
#51 ·
even if your rats are infected nothing will happen to you- you are not even going to get any symptoms or whatnot.
Well not for everyone. People have gotten sick. The one woman's son was sick & out of school for a week. Luckily he was not more serious and didn't need to go to the hospital. The woman did have to go to the hospital though. She got hit hard by it. People have gotten sick. Others said they felt a bit tired and had head/muscle aches. Out of 8 people that is still kindof icky :(

No one is dropping dead but still that is not nothing.

And yes if someone had a compromised immune system it could be worse. I also do worry about people who do not have insurance or don't go to the doctor for whatever reason. Or even if u just got the flu and had to miss work that would be hard on some people.

I still do not understand the need to see things in two extremes. It does not have to be all or nothing. We can be like yeah it is not that serious. People do not need to panic. By far most of us will not even be touched by this or concerned. But it is good to also take it seriously. To not completely dismiss it.

We can all agree that it is not very dangerous. There is no need to freak out. If you do have a compromised immune system I would suggest discussing it with your doctor but if not I wouldn't be very concerned.

You have made your opinion known that you will not test. That is your choice. No one is forcing you to do it. I don't see the reason to keep repeating it?
Everyone do what you feel is right. That is all any of us can do.

But one should remember that the ONLY people who have lost rats so far are ones who themselves tested positive because someone was in the hospital. None of them had any choice in the matter. The CDC has not ran around seizing other rats so far.

At this moment in time they are letting us test and even testing for some people without taking all of their rats. They have even let some breeders choose which ones to test. I know one breeder who has many rats pregnant/nursing right now because he was breeding extra for a breeder event and so he only took his males/older females to be tested, and they let him.

Again we shouldn't take it to one extreme or the other. I feel that there is a thin line where it can feel like blame towards those breeders who are already hurting. We do not need to induce panic around that either. We should stick with facts the best we can.

None of us are going to know the next step until more testing has been done or the CDC makes the next step. So deep breathes all around :)


This is really surprising to me. I don't know if she kept these two in a separate cage or in a colony, but with the ease the CDC describes the virus transferring to people, I would think that it would just as easily spread from rat to rat and that most or all of her colony would have tested positive.
That is kindof why we are thinking it is only an issue when it sheds so we do not have to think all of our rats are infected.

12 were tested (so far), 2 were positive. 1 male & 1 female.
Another breeder had all that were tested show positive (idk how many)
And the other breeder had less than that breeder show positive but again idk how many.

And people who did get rats connected to this are themselves testing negative. So it doesn't add up.

Still waiting on other tests. so it will give us a better idea. That is really going to be the most helpful is when we get all of the tests back we can see if it has spread & how hopefully. Then maybe we can understand it and give us a better idea on how to proceed.
With the CDC working with Idexx as well, if many of us can show that we are not infected it may help. It may also help if people test and have the majority of their rats test negative it may change their mind.

I know for a fact one person had a rat from the infected ratteries. He had been in quarantine and the CDC only took him and not all of her rats.


Ratguide which is an amazing site is working with the CDC to put out an informational sheet so maybe they will tell us something too.

Waiting sucks though.
 
#53 ·
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. If a breeder believes she might have infected rats because they come from a place that tested positive, she could just close the rattery and not breed for two years. Problem solved. Let the rats have a great life and die naturally of old age. Not breeding for two years won't kill anyone😋
 
#57 ·
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. If a breeder believes she might have infected rats because they come from a place that tested positive, she could just close the rattery and not breed for two years. Problem solved. Let the rats have a great life and die naturally of old age. Not breeding for two years won't kill anyone
Dog breeders test their dogs for all sorts of health issues. If I paid thousands of dollars for a puppy that got me sick I would be royally angry.... and in our lovely sue happy world I'd sue them to cover all of my health costs, missed work, pain and suffering.

Rats can live longer than 2 years...

That would mean losing all of their lines. Lines that could have gone on for generations that they have poured so much energy and time into. That would be almost as devastating. And some breeders have invested thousands of dollars into their rats. Not to even mention ones who have done shipments and imports where it was literally thousand dollars. If something did hit hard we could lose entire varieties :(

I don't want to go into details but breeders euthanize rats all the time. For countless reasons. Maybe not all pet owners know that, but it comes with breeding. Breeders are used to life and death.

If one rat is positive and 10 are negative, we are going to euthanize the positive rat so it can't potentially infect the others.

That is what we are praying for right now. That we can separate the negative & positive instead of losing everything.

Now I wonder, what about the adopters? If some rats from a certain breeder test positive than surely the CDC will ask the breeder for the list of all the adopters. It makes sense, right? Otherwise why even bother to go to the breeders in the first place if it is to leave the adopted out of it. So now the CDC will also go visit all the adopters and put down all of their rats if any of their rats test positive. I wonder if in many cases they will even bother to test the rats if they were adopted during the epidemic period established by their previous research at the breeder facility.
So far the breeders have been given the info of adopters who bought rats recently or within their timeframe.

As far as I know in this moment, the CDC has not contacted them yet. One breeder I know who received possibly infected rats is having hers tested (again the CDC has not gone in and killed all of her rats either) and she has given her list of people she sold to and has said that they told her they might contact them but have not yet.

They are testing these breeders who got rats.

I wanna again say the ONLY people who have had their rats euthanized were people who tested positive. So far everyone else is being allowed to test their rats. We do not know what the CDC will do after that. We are all just still waiting for results.

It is all one step at a time. Waiting to know sucks and is scary. But we just don't know what is going to happen yet.


Thank you so much Moonkissed for keeping us informed. I hope for the best for all the people and the rats being tested.
Thank you & your welcome :) Some breeders are trying to set up a page for support to all the rats that have so far been lost and to the breeders who have lost them. As soon as they do I'll share it.
I think the best thing we can do right now is stand together as a rat community!
 
#54 ·
Two RELATED (immunity is genetic) persons out of millions working in places that are known to be infected by rats and 10's of thousands who work directly with rats or have pet rats most of them pet store rats from rat infected commercial warehouses. I take that odd against any other odds of illness or death anyone of us face each day.
 
#55 ·
Now I wonder, what about the adopters? If some rats from a certain breeder test positive than surely the CDC will ask the breeder for the list of all the adopters. It makes sense, right? Otherwise why even bother to go to the breeders in the first place if it is to leave the adopted out of it. So now the CDC will also go visit all the adopters and put down all of their rats if any of their rats test positive. I wonder if in many cases they will even bother to test the rats if they were adopted during the epidemic period established by their previous research at the breeder facility.
 
#60 ·
Well a pet only owner had the CDC come and test her rats in her home. Blood test only. She was tested yesterday and her rats today.

She got her rats directly from one of the breeders who tested positive. That is why they came and tested her rats.

On the plus yay they came and just gave a blood test.

But she said that they could possibly not wait for the test results and come take her rats next week anyways :(

I am not sure why or why they would bother testing if they were going to do that.

But still their testing is going quite slow getting to people even.
 
#62 ·
I hope this virus outbreak dies out soon. It's so unfortunate that rats have to lose their lives but the owners and breeders are incredibly strong to allow that in order to protect other humans and rats. I'm so glad to see so many people sharing the information about the virus via rat groups, pages and forums trying to inform other rat parents. What an awesome community 8)
 
#64 ·
Things are not great. Apparently most individual states are running things and so they are all handling it differently.

Colorado seems to have cleared most breeders.

Some other states they are kindof being a bit of dicks. People were fighting it because they didn't want their rats killed who tested negative and so the CDC was being a bit more threatening with if you didn't cooperate they were going to just kill all the rats and/or not allow live testing.

There have been a ton of conference calls with the CDC and it is really sad how little info they know about the virus in rats. I think that is part of the problem. There is some info suggesting this is widespread among wild rats but they don't seem to care.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/10/e109/299360/Domestically-Acquired-Seoul-Virus-Causing
People were getting all the info typed up from the conference calls.

Testing had gotten alittle bit backed up, but people are still getting test results in.

Things are bad for alot of the breeders. Majorly bad :(

Short version of what is happening to some breeders:
You have a rat test positive but others test negative. You have two choices. 1. All of your rats are euthanized. 2. You have to work through your vet to continue to test. Which for just about everyone this is impossible to afford. I heard one person it was going to cost them over $1000 every 6 weeks.... Even if it was cheaper it is still way too expensive for most breeders. This is a hobby where we do not make a profit from. We are lucky if we get enough to cover our expenses.
So there is some discussion that they are trying to just wipe it out by forcing breeders into not being able to afford it and euthanizing everyone anyways :(

Sooo many breeders have quit, or lost all their rats right now it is insane.


But things are still ongoing. They are still testing and haven't told alot of breeders what is going to happen yet. Just a waiting game.

It looks like the CDC has added more states though:

  • Alabama
  • Arkansas
  • Colorado
  • Illinois
  • Indiana
  • Louisiana
  • Michigan
  • Minnesota
  • Missouri
  • Iowa
  • South Carolina
  • Tennessee
  • Utah
  • Wisconsin
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/seoul-virus/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/seoul-virus/map.html



Some good news: Idexx, the testing company says they will not release any personal information to the CDC. Though since your vet receives the info would they? IDK.... I do know they are backed up and i am still waiting for my test results to come back.



Rat Guide posted this info: http://ratguide.com/reference/SeoulVirus.pdf
It doesnt say much right now.



It is just a very stressful time right now :( Waiting sucks
 
#66 ·
That's terrible and a much worse update than what I was expecting!

So am I understanding it right about the testing...if a breeder had even just one rat tested positive, in order to keep their remaining rats that didn't initially test positive, they have to test every six weeks for an extended period of time? Every single rat? Wonder if they could look into a 'go fund me' to be even able to save at least one of their lines? This is so sad. Do you know how many breeders are involved in total? And is it confirmed that this is from a single source that spread via trading with ratteries or are some breeders testing and finding they somehow have infected rats as well even if they weren't involved in the trades?
 
#67 ·
I do not know how many breeders are involved. Not everyone has discussed it either. But a good amount through the 14 states listed.

Every state has been handling things differently. And so breeders are all being told different things.

The above has happened to a couple breeders, that I know of.
Some have tested negative and were told it would be fine if they did at the time but are now requiring more testing.

No one knows the exact source right now but I do believe the majority are all linked through rat sales. It may be Breeder A sold rats to Breeders and then it goes through everyone they sold to and then everyone they sold to. They have said they were only looking at the ratteries involved through those who tested positive but I am not sure if that is still the case. They were doing testing in some of those states and people may have come forward as well on their own.

Alot of breeders lost rats from anesthesia, they were put under to be tested and never woke up :(

I think most people are still waiting to get test results back.

I know a few breeders were looking to set up a page for the breeders and their lost rats and maybe once they do a gofundme can help them raise funds. Ill ask.
 
#71 ·
Yes you can get free testing cards here: http://www.idexxbioresearch.com/opti-spot-collection-card-request
You get them really fast.

It requires alittle blood from each rat you want to test. The rats you are testing should be over 2 months old. I'd suggest one per cage depending on how long you have had them.
You get a form to fill out and you need to include your vets information. They will send the results to your vet who will then give it to you.

It seems by far, most vets will do this no issue.

There is alot of different tests you can test for. If you just want to check for the hantavirus, you just write it out Hantaan Virus on the line.
 
#75 ·
Just read some of the accounts from some of the ratteries that were forced to euthanize. My heart shattered, I can't imagine how they're coping after losing their passion and companions both in one. Some of those ratteries had been breeding for up to a decade and had put so much work in.
I'm cuddling my ratties extra close tonight.
 
#77 ·
Well I just listened on to the recent conference call with the CDC. Not much new info.

They added a new state, I can't remember which one is new but it is up to 15 now.
This is really why I have been telling people just because you were not in one of the states it is best to just have patience and wait. This is still ongoing and until they are finished with the investigation we just do not know how far it has spread.


There have been 3 states with people infected: Wisconsin, Illinois & Minnesota.
The states with possible rats infected so far:
Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin.

I also hear someone in Colorado tested positive (a human) though it has not yet been added to the CDC map. The breeder themselves has posted about it.
I know people in Tennessee who have had their rats tested positive :(

It has also shown up in Canada. They said Canada is sharing info but that they are not part of the US so idk they seem to say that they dont have control over that or have the latest info or what.

They said that currently they are looking at breeders with infected rats and rats that were sold to them or from them to trace it.

They also said that they do not know the source still and they have no "rat zero". And made a comment about how it is not that these ratteries did something or had bad husbandry which I thought was lovely to comment on.

The CDC did say they recommend depopulation :( Which sucks badly.
There was some discussion about if breeders could possibly save lines by breeding an infected rat and pulling off the babies before they are weaned because they would still have the antibodies from their mom and give them to a uninfected mom. So we don't lose lines, which will work but idk the CDC didn't seem to like the idea.

They do seem to be allowing the Idexx testing though so yay and they even had Idexx in on the call as well.

They also made sure we know that it is being run pretty much state by state through the health department.


I am hoping they will update their site with new info soon.
 
#78 ·
#81 ·
Updated states:

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 7: CO, IL, MN, SC, TN, UT, WI
States with ratteries currently under investigation: 15: AL, CO, IL, IN, IA, LA, MI, MN, MO, ND, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI


PA is right next to me :( PA actually had rats testing positive. They are slow to update their info, I'm not sure why.
 
#138 ·
Updated states: PA is right next to me :( PA actually had rats testing positive. They are slow to update their info, I'm not sure why.
PA is plain slow, period. I've found this out during 9 years of residence.

PS I posted this article at the time I wasn't coming here and am now amazed both to see it both as a Sticky and that it got so many responses. I so hope it was not a major issue for anyone here (I haven't gone through all the postings yet). And after seeing this article it pretty much dropped out of sight in the news, so I didn't at first realize the severity of the issue. Wishing the best for all of my human and 4-footed friends.
 
#82 ·
A few ratteries in Canada and the UK have closed doors as some owners have tested positive for antibodies or have a shared rats with the infected breeders. I know that one of the ratteries that tested positive went to a large rodent show which could have greatly contributed to the spread.

I believe this is far more widespread than it seems, the focus is so heavy on ratteries but I'm more concerned about wild rats becoming infected from infected disposed bedding in bins or landfill as the virus can survive from quite some time in the environment.
 
#98 · (Edited)
I believe this is far more widespread than it seems, the focus is so heavy on ratteries but I'm more concerned about wild rats becoming infected from infected disposed bedding in bins or landfill as the virus can survive from quite some time in the environment.
This is from ratguide:

"RISKS: SV-infected pet rats or rat colonies should not be maintained without strict biosecurity protocols and quarantine. They contaminate their environment, and disposalof contaminated bedding and other husbandry supplies can lead to landfill contamination with associated infections of wild rat populations. (Hantaviruses) cansurvive for long periods in the environment: 12-15 days in contaminated beddings. 1Persons that choose to hide potentially Seoul-positive colonies put everyone at risk."

I don't read anything on how to safely dispose of bedding. I'm currently just putting it in a pile at the edge of the woods in my backyard. It seems like anything you do with it will let it contaminate wild populations. I wonder if the virus is killed with people who use fleece bedding? How hot should water be or should bleach always be added?
 
#100 ·
I don't read anything on how to safely dispose of bedding. I'm currently just putting it in a pile at the edge of the woods in my backyard. It seems like anything you do with it will let it contaminate wild populations. I wonder if the virus is killed with people who use fleece bedding? How hot should water be or should bleach always be added?
On Pg 3 of the report/memo from RatGuide that you referenced in your post, they mention this on how to dispose of bedding:

"When dealing with rat waste and used bedding it is recommended to spray it downwith a bleach solution to prevent airborne particulates. Wetting the bedding fully,double bagging it in strong plastic bags, and putting it in closed trash cans will deterwild rats from interacting with it and becoming infected."

Hope that is helpful. :)
 
#83 ·
The CDC says 13 people have been infected as of February 15. This article from another source gives the breakdown for 12.

Twelve people have been infected thus far: seven from Illinois, three from Wisconsin, one from Indiana [1], and one from Utah [2]. The remaining 12 states (CO, ND, MN, IA, MO, AR, LA, TN, AL, IN, MI, and SC) have received rats from rat-breeding facilities that are believed to be the source of the infections, and thus have the potential for cases to develop [3]. - See more at: http://www.healthmap.org/site/disea...ticle/seoul-virus-outbreak-us-could-affect-15-states-21517#sthash.HRhZ7Hrw.dpuf
 
#85 ·
I believe this is far more widespread than it seems, the focus is so heavy on ratteries but I'm more concerned about wild rats becoming infected from infected disposed bedding in bins or landfill as the virus can survive from quite some time in the environment.
It is already believed to be heavily spread among wild rats.

I know of atleast one person who had positive rats euthanized them and put them in the trash so....


The CDC says 13 people have been infected as of February 15. This article from another source gives the breakdown for 12.
IDK what their process is for updating their info. I'm going to be honest it does not give me alot of faith if there was a major health issue out there lol
Most of the info we are hearing from breeders themselves far before the CDC updates their site.

Someone in Colorado tested positive.


Oh no :( if the virus doesn't harm rats, you'd think the CDC would be working on something that would prevent it being passed to humans? It's so sad :(
They have a vaccine in Asia. But I guess it may not work against our strains. It hasn't been approved for the US or Europe. Still it would probably take years before anything was available.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus_vaccine



Everyday I am hearing more people lose all their rats and it is just heartbreaking. So many ratteries are probably closing after this. :(
 
#86 ·
It's devastating. Whenever I see someone asking where it's safe to buy rats regarding this outbreak, all I can think is, "please please hold off."

I just read on fb that the CDC made a surprise visit to this person's place because their breeder's one rat tested positive. Now they're forcing them to take their rats to the vet to get tested. I mean it makes sense, but I think it would be pretty frightening that they'd make a sudden visit.
 
#88 ·
right? Some people are not taking this seriously at all and it is scary. Because you are risking losing your rats.

People have started trying to fight the CDC and it is getting ugly.

I just read about how after a breeders rats were all euthanized the CDC showed up at her house, took her kid out of school, made her husband come home from work to be tested right then.
And people keep having the CDC, health department and police show up at their house without any prior contact.

And worse it is causing people to freak out and be all anti-goverment and cull all their rats and such :(

It is hard to understand what they are all going through.

There's been some recent speculation over the original source of the outbreak. Names have been removed as there is no solid evidence that I can find to back it up.
It is all just rumors and it really sucks that someone would so openly spread rumors like that :(

They do not know the source yet.

I'm fairly sure I know who they are talking about and that is called coincidence. Oh someone got sick (which is even more disrespectful because she seriously has major health issues that is not related to this virus) and closed their rattery so it must have been them.

Pointing fingers helps no one :(