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Pet Rat virus just discovered in Illinois and Wisconsin

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(CNN)The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed Friday that pet rats are the source of an outbreak of Seoul virus infections in Illinois and Wisconsin. The virus has been confirmed in eight patients in an ongoing investigation.

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The recent cases are "the first human cases we've seen in the United States associated with pet rats," said Dr. Jennifer McQuiston, a veterinarian and deputy division director for CDC's division of high consequent pathogens and pathology. Several previous outbreaks reported in the US occurred in wild rats.
"There was an outbreak reported in Europe previously associated with pet rats, so it's not the first time this has been associated with pets worldwide," McQuiston said.
Investigation in Wisconsin leads to Illinois
The initial patient in the current outbreak, a resident of Wisconsin, visited a hospital with flu-like symptoms, according to Stephanie Smiley, director of the bureau of communicable disease with Wisconsin Department of Health Services. The patient was a home-based rodent breeder.
Because of the patient's exposure to rodents, the doctor had a "hunch" to test for hantavirus, explained Smiley.

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Following a positive test result for hantavirus in late December, Wisconsin health officials sent a sample from the patient to the CDC along with a separate sample from a second patient -- a family member who also worked with rodents.
On January 11, the CDC confirmed infections with Seoul virus, a rodent-borne hantavirus, in both patients.
Though related, Seoul virus is considered different from hantavirus and it is not typically seen in the US, said McQuiston.
"This is typically associated with a milder illness than we think about with the classic hantavirus we talk about in the US, but it can be, in rare cases, associated with some more severe symptoms, such as renal disease," said McQuiston.
According to Smiley, symptoms of Seoul virus can include fever, chills, nausea, pink eye-type eye infection and abdominal pain. Though it rarely happens, a simple infection can progress to hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, which begins with fever, severe aches and fatigue, and may turn fatal.

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Seoul virus symptoms often develop within one to two weeks after contact, but can take as long as eight weeks to appear, said Smiley.
Both of the Wisconsin patients have since recovered, but the discovery of infection led to a follow-up investigation at several rat suppliers, which revealed an additional six cases of Seoul virus among workers at two Illinois breeding facilities, according to Melaney Arnold, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Public Health. She added these cases were confirmed by the CDC on January 18.
"Six people tested positive for Seoul virus, but only one experienced illness," said Arnold, explaining that five people showed no symptoms of the virus, which cannot be transmitted among people, regardless of whether symptoms are present or not. The one patient who became sick has since recovered.
Public health officials said that more ratteries and more infected people may be identified as the investigation proceeds.
A 'complicated' investigation
Usually people become infected when they come in contact with infectious fluids, such as blood, saliva and urine, from infected rats, or are bitten by them. Infected rats typically do not appear sick.
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Worldwide, the Seoul virus is carried by wild Norway rats.




Worldwide, the Seoul virus is carried by wild Norway rats, which first arrived on this continent during the late 1700s and then began to dominate urban centers throughout the country. Most infections among people have been reported in Asia.
"Illinois Department of Public Health is currently working with local health departments and the ratteries to identify clients and people who may have been exposed to the rats, but the total numbers are unknown," said Arnold. The state's health department is working with both the CDC and the Wisconsin Department of Public Health to try to identify the origin of the rats.
Meanwhile, the CDC is working with local and state health authorities in both states to continue testing rats and humans for Seoul virus infections.
McQuiston explained that the CDC has been tracing back to where rats may have come from, and tracing out to where rats may have gone from the facilities where Seoul virus infections occurred.

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"It's been fairly complicated," said McQuiston, adding that the CDC believes so far that the virus has not spread beyond or outside "the network that we're investigating right now."
Anyone who recently purchased a rat in the affected areas and experiences Seoul virus symptoms should contact their healthcare provider immediately.
People in Illinois and Wisconsin who have purchased or come in contact with rats from the affected breeders should contact their local or state health departments.
"Our general recommendation is that anybody who has a pet rodent or pet rat should be cognizant of good pet care behavior," said McQuiston.
Caring for a pet rat
To prevent diseases or infections carried by rats, people should wash their hands with soap and running water after touching or feeding rodents or cleaning their habitats. Children need to be assisted with their handwashing.

The virus hunters in search of the next outbreak


Whenever possible, pet owners should clean and disinfect rodent cages and supplies outside the home -- never perform this clean-up in the kitchen or bathroom. Wear gloves, if possible, to avoid coming into contact with droppings or urine.
Because pet rodents can shed germs and contaminate areas where they roam, make sure their cages are properly secured and safe.
Avoid bites and scratches from any rodent. Even if an animal seems friendly, be cautious. Routinely visit your veterinarian to keep a pet rodent healthy and disease-free.
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If bitten or scratched, wash the wound with warm soapy water immediately. Even healthy pets can carry germs.
See a doctor if the pet appears sick, if the wound is serious, if the wound turns red, painful, warm or swollen, if your last tetanus shot was more than five years ago or if you develop sudden fever or flu-like illness within two weeks after being bitten.
"We have seen occasional rare cases of Seoul virus infections in the US but those have not been linked to pet rodents. It's thought that they were more linked to wild rat exposure," said McQuiston. "We do know Seoul virus can circulate in wild rat populations -- really around the world. We don't really know how often or common it is, it's not a very well studied virus in that respect."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/health/pet-rats-seoul-virus-outbreak-cdc-bn/index.html
 
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Copied from the CDC website, PA has been added to the list of confirmed positive results. Georgia is now also under investigation.

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 13

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 8: CO, IL, MN, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

States with ratteries currently under investigation: 16: AL, CO, GA, IL, IN, IA, LA, MI, MN, MO, ND, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

 
#90 ·
Just a thought...might this whole thing be important enough to ask the mods to see if this can be an announcement to advise people to be cautious about adopting rats right now? I know lurkers don't always read latest posts but simply use google to find what they need here (that's what I did for 10 years).
 
#92 ·
Good news! The CDC is now accepting idexx testing so yay. That is huge big news. (idk if I already said this lol) But it is really important for breeders.


Just a thought...might this whole thing be important enough to ask the mods to see if this can be an announcement to advise people to be cautious about adopting rats right now? I know lurkers don't always read latest posts but simply use google to find what they need here (that's what I did for 10 years).
Maybe they can sticky this thread?

People do need to be careful about buying rats. I have now seen pet people being involved from buying rats from infected people. And if you are linked it is going to be a giant mess to deal with on the best circumstance.

It is so past worried about being sick or even infecting your rats. You are going to have to deal with the government in your life possibly the police and your health department and risk losing some or all of your rats :(

At the very least if you bring them in keep them in quarantine until this is over.

it is just that the investigation is still ongoing, like every few days a new state is added.


This is starting to get really scary. Honestly I'd be more willing to think one of the big warehouse mills was the source because I'm sure wild rats get in and out of there all the time. I wonder why they're not testing large rat mills yet...
That is part of the problem. Mills are not probably even testing. They are only right now looking at breeders connected but this is obviously getting huge.

And while most responsible breeders are temporarily closed and/or testing and trying to stay updated on the info... feeder breeders do this for profit and most are still selling. That includes even many dual purpose breeders.
And ofcourse BYBs and oops litters galore.

If it is not everywhere it will be. So why are they still forcing ratteries into testing/euthanizing all the rats?
 
#93 ·
I agree very scary. Looks like we are going to lose good breeders. The mills will just start up with bad specimens like nothing happened. Is the CDC going after these big mills? Are they going to all the pet stores these mills sold to? Are they checking list of people sold to and finding them? Or are they just targeting quality breeders?

China has the vaccine. I'm sure it will need to be tweaked but being expensive should not hold them back from finding a cure. Dogs need vaccines, I'm sure it cost money. The government waste enough money on other stuff. This will save lives.

I understand people can get sick from this but from what I'm reading it's not deadly? We are at risk of getting sick from many things. I take this very seriously but I take killing animals seriously too.

Just needed to rant. I'm frustrated I can't welcome my 1st rats to our home but that doesn't compare to the frustration and sadness from all these animals are being put down. ❤

Thanks for listening
James
 
#94 ·
Moonkissed- great news! Does that mean that if you get positive results then you are safe should any investigation in NY take place?


I agree very scary. Looks like we are going to lose good breeders. The mills will just start up with bad specimens like nothing happened. Is the CDC going after these big mills? Are they going to all the pet stores these mills sold to? Are they checking list of people sold to and finding them? Or are they just targeting quality breeders?
From what I'm reading on this thread, It seems they aren't sure where it started. There were rumors that it was a mill but those are yet unfounded. I should hope that the big chains would test their own as they would be very open to lawsuits if they gave infected pets to the public. However, I know that for Petsmart, at least, you have to sign a lengthy contract. And although Petsmart does (or did a long time ago) claim to inspect and perform tests on their mills (I'm guessing of course that SV isn't among them!), perhaps the contract still has some sort of statement that says 'you accept the risks of owning a small pet that potentially carries diseases'? This is speculation.

Perhaps they are testing now for SV...but it wouldn't be in their best interest to announce that? I haven't been in a petstore recently...I wonder if they're even selling rats or if they've sent them back if the store is in a state under investigation? They have stopped selling birds for 6 months in the past when the whole bird-flu thing broke out, so I hope they'd consider the same for rats, at least.

Just needed to rant. I'm frustrated I can't welcome my 1st rats to our home but that doesn't compare to the frustration and sadness from all these animals are being put down. ❤
:( Well, just take it as you've got more time to research and prepare (even if you are ready!).
 
#96 ·
I just got back from my local PetCo (leopard gecko ran out of superworms), and they've stopped selling their rats as companions due to the outbreak. One of the works there, whom I put a fair bit of trust in, says that a few infected rats have been found at their supplier; however I would put that forward as rumors.

I must say, I was impressed with the spread of the news after I called my cat's vet. They had heard of the virus's spread, and told me to being in the test cards, and they'll do the procedure and send in the samples for next to nothing. This vet's office doesn't deal with small animals beyond guinea pigs much, and I usually have to travel a good distance to get to my small animal vet, so I was very surprised and impressed.
 
#97 ·
I must say, I was impressed with the spread of the news after I called my cat's vet. They had heard of the virus's spread, and told me to being in the test cards, and they'll do the procedure and send in the samples for next to nothing. This vet's office doesn't deal with small animals beyond guinea pigs much, and I usually have to travel a good distance to get to my small animal vet, so I was very surprised and impressed.
That is great! Some vets are being absurd with charging high prices for it :( I've seen hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

My vet was awesome about it and I was able to just have them receive the results.
 
#99 ·
Moonkissed- great news! Does that mean that if you get positive results then you are safe should any investigation in NY take place?
Sorry I missed this.

If my test results come back negative then I should be fine if the health department comes asking.

I am not worried because I haven't brought in new rats for a bit outside of the window they are really looking right now.

But if I had and one of the ratteries I bought from tested positive they could still come and make me test those specific rats even though I tested cagemates and it would be a waste of time really lol
I do not believe they would do that. They would likely be fine with my test results.
 
#102 ·
Good news...it seems Indiana has been dropped from the list of states under the investigation.

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 13

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 8: CO, IL, MN, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

States with ratteries currently under investigation: 15 AL, CO, GA, IL, IA, LA, MI, MN, MO, ND, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
 
#103 ·
As of February 22, Iowa is now on the list of confirmed results for humans or rats.


Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 16

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 9: CO, IA, IL, MN, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

States with ratteries currently under investigation: 15: AL, CO, GA, IL, IA, LA, MI, MN, MO, ND, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
 
#104 ·
NJ now too. And Delaware

Being in NY with PA & NJ... not feeling great about that :(

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 16


Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 9: CO, IA, IL, MN, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI


States with facilities currently under investigation: 18: AL, CO, DE, GA, IL, IA, LA, MD, MI, MN, MO, ND, NJ, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
I found out today that Idexx sent my results to my vet on 2/7 but my vet said they never got them.... ugh
So I had them resend them. Hoping to hear tomorrow.

Idexx is awesome. They answer questions so fast and even emailed me back to check in when I didn't respond right away!
 
#105 ·
NJ now too. And Delaware

Being in NY with PA & NJ... not feeling great about that :(



I found out today that Idexx sent my results to my vet on 2/7 but my vet said they never got them.... ugh
So I had them resend them. Hoping to hear tomorrow.

Idexx is awesome. They answer questions so fast and even emailed me back to check in when I didn't respond right away!
And Maryland, ugh.

Well, glad Idexx is working out well!
 
#109 ·
Thank you all!

http://www.koaa.com/story/34602523/...2523/rat-breeder-concerned-about-euthanasia-methods-after-seoul-virus-confirmed

I don't really have any news but things are kindof looking a bit worrisome right now. I think the CDC may have made some choices on how to handle things. And we are waiting to hear what that is.

But atleast one breeder was told that the CDC changed their minds on how they are handling things and would get back to her with what that means...
And in Colorado they will be having a public meeting on changing laws about pets resulting from this... no clue what this yet means.

I am a bit worried :(
 
#110 ·
Thank you all!

http://www.koaa.com/story/34602523/...2523/rat-breeder-concerned-about-euthanasia-methods-after-seoul-virus-confirmed

I don't really have any news but things are kindof looking a bit worrisome right now. I think the CDC may have made some choices on how to handle things. And we are waiting to hear what that is.

But atleast one breeder was told that the CDC changed their minds on how they are handling things and would get back to her with what that means...
And in Colorado they will be having a public meeting on changing laws about pets resulting from this... no clue what this yet means.

I am a bit worried :(
This poor breeder...if she's 'lucky' she'll get to choose 15 out of 100 to keep? This was so sad to watch.

Really worried about the public laws that may change. I remember a long time ago they banned baby turtles under a certain length in some areas because of the salmonella outbreak. The whole thing was surrounded by controversy, but the point being that they made a blanket law making it illegal to sell or own them.
 
#112 ·
They are super slow to update lol

Missouri & Georgia were added.

1 more human case.

Sadly no good news. Health departments have been a whole lot of words I can't say here.... Many breeders were told one thing and then now turned around and being told they have to euthanize all of them. It is ugly and breeders are becoming more upset and angry.

Idexx may have also raised their prices from $11 to $35 per rat. I am not 100% sure on that but if so it really sucks.
 
#113 · (Edited)
Thanks, Moonkissed. And speak of the devil...I see today they updated their site today.

As of March 3;

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 17

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 11: CO, GA, IA, IL, MN, MO, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

States with facilities currently under investigation: 15: CO, DE, GA, IL, ID, IA, MI, MN, MO, NJ, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
 
#114 ·
There's an update for March 9 on the CDC website, but there has been no change in the reported states.

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 17

Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 11: CO, GA, IA, IL, MN, MO, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI

States with facilities currently under investigation: 15: CO, DE, GA, IL, ID, IA, MI, MN, MO, NJ, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
 
#115 ·
There's an update for March 9 on the CDC website, but there has been no change in the reported states.

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Yikes, I see that SC has confirmed positives now. That stinks! What exactly does that mean for someone like me? My boys were originally purchased at Petsmart by the family I got them from. They were roughly 9-12 months old when I got them in Dec. (not sure that age really matters).

I know it was stated previously that only breeders are being questioned/tested. What about the mills that supply Petsmart and the like?

Since there have been positive results in SC, should I get my boys tested? They don't interact with any other rats. The only people they see are me, my boyfriend, and, occasionally, the pet sitter. Would he be at risk? All he does is feed them when we are gone for long weekends, he doesn't play with them.

Sorry for so many questions. Thanks!
 
#120 ·
Somewhere in this thread people asked about helping some of the breeders affected or being able to donate.

I hope this is ok to post as none of these is me.

These are some of the breeders who have been affected and are asking for donations to help cover testing costs.

Many have been given the option to test or euthanize & testing is not cheap. I can't imagine being in that situation :(
I know them & they are all really lovely breeders & wonderful people and this is just so difficult for them.

If anyone wants to help any of them out, every tiny bit counts or even just send well wishes or positive thoughts/prayers I am sure they would appreciate it.

Honestly it is so wonderful, so many of us suggested and pushed them into accepting donations and they didn't want to ask for hand outs but they do not want to have to euthanize their rats, so I am really glad they are.

Cosmic Curls Rattery - https://www.gofundme.com/save-the-rattiesseoul-testing-fund
Fairly Rats Rattery - GoFundMe.com/FairlyRatsWillTestNegative
A Rats Tale Rattery - gofundme.com/seoul-testing-sponsorship
Pam's House of Bloos Rattery - https://www.gofundme.com/seoul-virus-testing
 
#121 ·
*I recommend you don't read this if reptiles/feeding them makes you uncomfortable*



I was really hoping this virus wasn't going to spread :( It's too bad, my rats don't ever interact with other rats. However, two of my boys I bought a few weeks before the initial outbreak and it's been making me really nervous how close to Massachusetts the virus has gotten.
Does anyone know what this virus could mean for companies that sell frozen thawed rats for reptiles? Is this something that can also be spread to humans/other rats that way?
 
#122 ·
The CDC has updated as of March 14, but there have been no changes thus far:

Number of laboratory-confirmed recent human cases of Seoul virus: 17
Number of states reporting laboratory-confirmed Seoul virus positive results for humans or rats: 11: CO, GA, IA, IL, MN, MO, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
States with facilities (for example, homes or premises) currently under investigation: 15: CO, DE, GA, IL, ID, IA, MI, MN, MO, NJ, PA, SC, TN, UT, WI
 
#124 ·
OK I just read all 13 pages to see what's been said, asked and answered. I was actually tracking all of the ratteries affected and results of testing, and how they were exposed, but then sadly caught that horrendous flu and have been out of commission on my updates for awhile.

I can add some things though to the general information pool though :)

There are 2 types of this SEOV virus being tested for in humans. I cannot remember the actual scientific terms but basically "new" which is a few months old, and "old" which is from the beginning of time to up to that time. Humans get tested for both. Rats get only tested for new as they have a persistent infection. The Canadian breeder who actually posted on her page about her human positive was postive only for the old virus so she wasn't affected during this current outbreak and may have been exposed anytime. There are breeders in Ontario mentioned that have been doing imports and trading with affected ratteries in the US but she's not posting about it at all.

The CDC is doing trace-forward and trace-back to find all the affected people/rats and to try to limit exposure. I don't think they realized how much trading of rats went on, so hopefully eventually they will call SEOV endemic and will call off the witch hunt.

People are more frightened of the states/counties overreactions then the fear of the virus itself now. As Moonkissed said, the response by these individuals is varied and uneven and breeders are being told a lot of stuff one day and then bullied to depopulate the next, being served with Notices etc.

In the UK, they only depopulated ONE rattery before realizing trying to do traceback/forward was going to be too much, and labelled SEOV endemic.

In Canada they are not as concerned about it as in the US either.

The rumor is that at least one of the affected ratteries trapped and used wild rats in their breeding program (and encouraged others to do so as well), and this is likely where it all initiated. It seems IL is state zero still even after all this time. I personally thought it was Utah but nothing is coming out about that anywhere officially, just suppositions by others.

One thing I noticed with my research was that the virus is not a fast mover, nothing like SDA or Sendai...but generally once people are positive, there's going to be rat positives. The ratteries with a lot of positives have had it longer, and the ones who just recently adopted are a lot less likely to have it themselves as exposure time was less.

There is 3 options the CDC suggests if you have rat positives

1) Depopulation (recommended)
2) Quarantine for life (a lot harder than it sounds, with huge biosecurity measures and its likely the rats can never leave your home)
3) Euthanize all positive rats, then retest in 4 weeks at your own expense, euth all positives then retest again, hopefully with no more positives. VERY expensive and some vets are charging fortunes or refuse to do its as the biosecurity protocols involved.
 
#127 ·
It is still somewhat ongoing as they are still talking to some breeders but it looks like they are pretty much done with it.

From the CDC/Health Department side it looks like they are not really pursuing it further. I know some states seem to not even care anymore.
It super sucks for those who breeders who lost so much when they are just like eh whatever now :(

But breeders are still dealing with it. Some still are working with them to test or testing on their own. Some are being required to test multiple times so that is still ongoing.


I am reopening since I tested Negative and am not in an affected state but I still know many within those states are still closed and/or testing.



I will say that this does not mean Seoul is poof gone. It just means that it is not quite as big of a deal IMO as they treated it at first.
 
#128 ·
From the CDC/Health Department side it looks like they are not really pursuing it further. I know some states seem to not even care anymore.
It super sucks for those who breeders who lost so much when they are just like eh whatever now :(
Wow, that's awful. I feel bad for all those who have lost their rats to the CDC's rash behavior. :( I wonder why they were taking such drastic measures then just shrug and move on?!
 
#129 ·
I actually just talked to my Virology professor about this today. He'd been following it out of curiosity and this is basically what he told me. They haven't completely stopped following it, they just don't want to freak people out more by publishing everything right away, and they have located the major sources so from their standpoint a few breeders with one or two rats that test positive is a lot less concerning. Also, as someone previously mentioned, with it being a "new" strain of virus and with it being the first time pet rats have passed this they really cracked down hard because of the fear of it being an emerging zoonosis virus that could have had the potential to spread fast and far. When it didn't do this and when they were able to relatively easily back-track the sources and take care of it the CDC was less concerned. There will always be viruses and diseases that can be spread via animals, where it's a major concern to the CDC is when it's an unknown or new virus that has the potential to become an epidemic. Yes it's still tragic and awful to breeders and pet owners having to test their rats and potentially euthanize some, but the CDC is only concerned about preventing major spread of disease. It sounds cold, but the reality is they have many viruses and diseases to tack so can't put all their energy into one any longer than necessary. Hope that makes sense! :)