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Ruka

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Hi all,

Let me give a little info first:

I run Whiskered Way Rat Rescue and around here a lot of people have misconceptions about pet rats. A while ago I posted a thread about a fundraiser and some of the responses were that a trained shoulder rat would be perfect.

Well, I thought about it and about a month ago a friend came over, wells I was quite surprised to see a rat on his shoulder. Turns out he's been carrying a rat on his shoulder for years and years and although his rat is trained to remain on his shoulder at all times, that's all she is trained to do.

Now, I KNOW having a shoulder rat is more complicated than that.

Is there a personality that shoulder rats have? Or is it early exposure to things?

I guess what I'm asking, does anybody have any advice on how to train a shoulder rat properly?

I know it can be dangerous for the rat if they aren't trained properly. I want to be able to go out with my rat and educate the public at events. Change the misconceptions about pet rats, and spread the word about my rescue. And from personal experience I know the best way to change somebody's mind about rats is for them to meet in person a friendly, happy and playful rat.

I know there's at least ONE person on here that can help, there has to be.


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I'd say early exposure and I know you mentioned that if they aren't trained correctly it can be dangerous, but even if trained perfectly it is dangerous. There are animals that are faster, bigger, and stronger than the rats, and will undoubtedly kill them if possible.
I've had one true shoulder rat and Brody is working on it and twiggy seems like a good prospect as well.
It's not just any rat that can do it either. That's why Brody isn't full shoulder rat yet. His personality holds him back a bit. Twiggy, however is adventurous as well as obedient, so he may be able to do it someday.
It takes time and can absolutely get your rat killed at any time, but is so fun and worth it if it works out!


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Oh and the friend you have, his isn't really a "shoulder rat". It's just a ratty trained to stay. Which is definitely fun as well! Don't get me wrong! Lol! And if that is all you want, that is much more easy.
Shoulder rats are rats that can free roam and explore but will come back when called and therefore can go places with you, go on their own walk, follow at a distance, and return to your shoulder to go home when told to do so.


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Shoulder rats are rats that can free roam and explore but will come back when called and therefore can go places with you, go on their own walk, follow at a distance, and return to your shoulder to go home when told to do so.
In that case "shoulder rat" is a very non-intuitive name for this type of training! It seems to make way more sense to call a rat who stays on a shoulder a "shoulder rat."
 
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Oh and the friend you have, his isn't really a "shoulder rat". It's just a ratty trained to stay. Which is definitely fun as well! Don't get me wrong! Lol! And if that is all you want, that is much more easy.
Shoulder rats are rats that can free roam and explore but will come back when called and therefore can go places with you, go on their own walk, follow at a distance, and return to your shoulder to go home when told to do so.


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Yes, I know, that's why I never referred to him as a 'shoulder ratter' he just has his girl trained to stay.

I may try and go through with complete training, or I may just train a rat to remain on my shoulder (which seems a lot safer).

I understand they can be injured or killed doing this, it's the handlers responsibility to keep their animals safe and out of harms way.


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Rat Daddy is the man to go to for this. I'm sure he'll show up shortly!
 
Ruka I hope you didn't find my response to be rude or something, didn't mean it that way at all if you did.

Training them to stay on a shoulder is definitely safer, but I find the looks of "wow, a RAT comes when it's called??" To be so amusing, lol!

Rat daddy does have a great shoulder rat currently, so I'm sure he'd be happy to help with any questions you have.


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Ruka I hope you didn't find my response to be rude or something, didn't mean it that way at all if you did.

Training them to stay on a shoulder is definitely safer, but I find the looks of "wow, a RAT comes when it's called??" To be so amusing, lol!

Rat daddy does have a great shoulder rat currently, so I'm sure he'd be happy to help with any questions you have.


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I took no rudeness from it, just a rat lover telling it how it is!


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When you know how to do this, let me know! I love my girls, and I want to take them everywhere with me... I dont trust them to be far away or up in a tree... Paisley has bad eye sight, and Scalett sometimes deliberatley disobeys me to see what she can get away with, I feel like... But, if I could train one of them to just sit on my shoulder for long periods of time... that would be great. I feel like mine love to explore though, and always need to be on the move...
 
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I took Voda out yesterday for a short walk on my shoulder to see how he reacted to it. He was curious and seemed only slightly affected by the open spaces.

He has an outgoing personality and is not startled by loud noises. Is this a good place to start? If he's not right for it obviously I won't force him.


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OK so I'm attracted. I'm absolutely in love with our shoulder rat and as proud as any pop can be of his little (well actually pudgy) girl. And she's the real deal.

First to kill any confusion regarding the name shoulder rat.. I first herd if from an elegant older lady who noticed me walking by with Fuzzy Rat in a store and she remarked "Look Herbert, there's man wearing a "shoulder rat". She seemed comfortable with Fuzzy Rat and we let them meet and greet. But it occurred to me that from the perspective of a non-rat owner, most of the time they are going to meet a rat, is on it's owner's shoulder. So rather than coin a new name, I adopted the one that seemed like people already knew and felt comfy with. I just added the classification between the true shoulder rat and the limited shoulder rat as there is a very big difference.

As to a rat trained to stay... wow, that's no easy trick! It took forever for Fuzzy Rat to grasp "Stay". Stay doesn't translate into rat language, rather If you scream it loudly enough a rat can grasp it as "freeze and look for danger". Amelia panics when she's on the ground she stays on shoulder out of fear and because she feels safe there. Most limited shoulder rats are similar. They haven't learned 'stay', rather they are afraid to explore. A true shoulder rat still hangs out on your shoulder too, but when it knows a place and feels safe there or when you put it down and it trusts your judgment, it will readily explore. A shoulder rat really reads your cues. It just knows when to stay put and when it can roam. I visited a friend's house, he has a cat and Fuzzy Rat stayed on my shoulder for two hours. As my friend isn't really comfy with rats, I didn't offer to put her down and she didn't ask, And we are welcome back.

I did a long thread on shoulder rats that's still going, and I'm not going to short cut the procedure here. But basically you need:

The right rat. It needs to be unusually calm and inquisitive. (the Throazine personality) It needs to be bonded to you and follow commands. Because Fuzzy Rat has such a high threshold of stimulation, indoors in our house she's very hard to control, she just knows everything she needs to and is perfectly comfy making her own decisions. If she thinks I'm calling her for treats or something she wants, she's right there, if she thinks I'm going to stuff her into her cage, it's "watch my tail". Outdoors however, she's right on the mark, her anxiety levels are at what would be normal for an indoor rat indoors and she's fast to respond to commands and if she gets frightened she runs straight to us.

Last summer we were walking along a trail next to a marsh. We were about 30 feet behind Fuzzy Rat and she was leading us back to the car, when a juvenile groundhog popped out of the reeds and the two rodents nearly collided. They were nose to nose about a half inch apart. The ground hog leapt up and bolted back into the rushes and Fuzzy Rat darted strait back to my foot and up on hand. That's precisely what is supposed to happen. I had absolutely no time to give a command. Everything hinged completely on how Fuzzy Rat would react on her own. Shoulder rat or dead rat, and there wasn't a thing I could do about it. This is the kind of thing you learn at your safe site, where there are no other animals and no marsh to lose your rat into.

Ground hogs are pretty pudgy and look funny running, but then so is Fuzzy Rat and I hadn't seen her move that fast in a while. There are lots of groundhogs at the park and they keep their distance, Fuzzy Rat is used to the smell everywhere and doesn't avoid it, but meeting one up close and personal was unnerving for her and really over the top hysterical for us. Seriously, even the remotest thought of Fuzzy Rat doing anything else never crossed our minds. She's a true shoulder rat and that's what she does every time, always.

You need a safe site... How can I stress this enough? This is where you learn to control your rat. And if your rat washes out here, it goes back with you to the safety and comfort of your home. You will screw up, you are learning a new skill, it's right and good that you make mistakes, and your rat might panic and make a mistake too and it might just take a few miscommunications before everyone gets on the right page but at the safe site that's to be expected. At just 3 weeks old, when she didn't know us, Fuzzy Rat panicked and ran under a shrub. A week later she ran into the shrubs to explore on her own and came back on her own 45 minutes later and the idea of the safe site was born. Screwing up in my front yard was dangerous, the safe site however was a happy place for Fuzzy Rat to explore.

Lastly you need to learn the danger signs, to watch your rat and let it teach you. Fuzzy Rat was glued to my shoulder well before the owl overhead alerted us to it's presence by screeching in frustration and Fuzzy Rat gets all doe eyed and girly when wild boys are around. You have to instinctively look up for predators, and watch for attractive nusences for your rat, like sewer grates, poison mushrooms or snake dens. You have to learn to recognize fun play areas like chain link fences. Rats love to run along fences of all kinds and need to learn the difference between managing risks and being reckless. You need to build a special bond with your shoulder rat and learn to be a real animal trainer. We took Fuzzy Rat to the circus last summer, she wouldn't walk at heel in the crowd, but still both the horse and elephant trainers congratulated me on Fuzzy Rat. One of the pony trainers even said he might give rats a go and couldn't get enough of Fuzzy Rat. BTW, elephants are not afraid of mice or rats.

Now as a promotion for your rat rescue, a true shoulder rat would really make a big difference in how you are perceived. When I tell people we have rats, they pretty much figure I've lost my mind, when they meet Fuzzy Rat, they almost instantly change their opinion. One of the most common questions we get is "That's a rat?" It doesn't look like what people expect, it doesn't act like what people expect and you can watch them their minds changing right in front of you.

By the way, last footnote, it really helps if you shoulder rat doesn't look like Ben. A big fat agouti or jet black rat will bring you trouble in spades. People will actually snatch Amelia (our high white) from my arms before asking what she is. She's so soft and cute and likes to tuck her tail under my arms that people really get surprised that they are holding a rat. And before I forget to make a point of it.... remember the 15 foot rule always! At about 15 feet rat phobics feel pretty safe, close the distance too fast or surprise a rat phobic and you will have big problems fast.


Well that's the nickel tour but do read the full thread, and let me know if I can help.

As to what a a good promotional shoulder rat should look like... I've always thought fawns and cinnamons would do well but shoulder rats should have dark eyes to avoid sun damage and pink or light ruby isn't good, the first photo is of Amelia, most people love her looks and the next is Fuzzy Rat, also not scary to most people:
 

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My new baby Voda has a unique personality. Loud noises don't startle him, he turn his head and looks toward the noise.

He's also learning his name pretty quickly. And he's love to chill out on my shoulder or in my sleeve when he's tired of exploring and running around or when the cats are in the room.








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Dark eyes are good. there should be enough white so he doesn't look like Ben and people like light grey or blue better than black or agouti.

He looks like a commercial farm rat, which seem to be one of the most mellow strains. Hey when you have a million rats to breed from, would you pick breeder rats that panic or bite?

Fuzzy Rat is a commercial farmed rat, look at the width of her jaw and shoulders as compared to Amelia who was clearly bred for the pet trade.
 
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Dark eyes are good. there should be enough white so he doesn't look like Ben and people like light grey or blue better than black or agouti.

He looks like a commercial farm rat, which seem to be one of the most mellow strains. Hey when you have a million rats to breed from, would you pick breeder rats that panic or bite?

Fuzzy Rat is a commercial farmed rat, look at the width of her jaw and shoulders as compared to Amelia who was clearly bred for the pet trade.
Not to sound clueless, but what's the difference between a commercial farm rat and a pet trade rat?


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Your not clueless, certain morphs of rats have been bred by breeders for certain markings body shape hair color and texture and eye color for example.

Commercial rat farms pretty much breed food rats. They should grow fast, get big and have a easy going personality so as not to bite the employees of the farm, the pet shop staff and the hand that feeds them to a snake.

Unlike private breeders the commercial farms have thousands of rats to work with. If they want to get something done with rats you can bet they can do it fast. Commercial farmed rats look more like Purdue chickens whereas breeder rats look more like free range chickens. My part wild rat was 10 oz, my breeder rat is 16 oz my commercial farmed rat (now shoulder rat) is 26 oz the same as the other two combined. All of the rats were girls, kept together and feed the same. Most of the commercial farm rats are hoodies of capped rats of various shades. The short looking snout, wide jaw and especially wide shoulders give these rats away. Wide bodies support more meat. As to being bred to be docile I doubt all are successful but I've reached into a bin with over a 100 commercial farm raised rats in it without a scratch much less a bite.
 
BTW this a map of our safe site, it has an outdoor shower for emergency rat cooling, heated and lit bathrooms for the humans, a kiddie playground and picnic area for advanced training two house size gazebos in case it rains, lots of small trees scattered about and it's surrounded on three sides by water... OK so it's only 39 acres but it works for us.


http://www.co.middlesex.nj.us/parksrecreation/Alvin Williams Park map.pdf


For a nice areal shot mapquest the Alvin P. Williams Memorial park in Woodbridge NJ.

This is what you are looking for to train your rat.
 
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