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So what is your opinion on people who have rats of known HEALTHY lineage and breed them? Just a question. Just curious about all your answers.

I've just noticed alot of "hating" toward people who have bred their rats. Just to clarify, I am definitely not talking about anyone who intentionally has bred their PET STORE rats. I'm talking about people who know their rats backrounds for generations.
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Kimmiekins said:
I'm glad you're volunteering at a rescue first. :) There is a HUGE overpopulation of rats in CA, as you may be aware... There seems to be a hoarding case once a year or more that yields hundreds of rats. I'm not actually sure off the top of my head if there are any established breeders. I could ramble off rescues in CA, but that doesn't help. ;)
Yes, I've found several breeders within 5 hours of me. I've already been put on a waiting list for a pair of males here:

Happy Go Lucky Rattery
well good for you alex! It is wonderful that you are already meeting with her. If you want to know anything about volunteering feel free to ask. I learned early on that it is taxing and time consuming and cvan be heart breaking but when you do help it is so rewarding. Please if you don't listen to anything else I ever have to say PLEASE listen to this. the hardest part of volunteering is learning the fact that there is NO WAY you can save them all. It is hard and it hurts BUT do what you can for those you can do for. As long as you keep that in mind it becomes easier to deal with.

Kimmiekins - - There is a link on that page that you can help out with donations or anything else. I feel horrible because I am packed to the brim with animals right now so I can't foster at all. I have 13 resident rats, getting 10 foster rats tomorrow (seven of them are pinkies!!!) one hamster, three cats, three fish and two small children in a two bedroom apartment LoL Lucky I am always home to deal with the animals and keep cages clean.
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I hear ya, Stephanie. We've got our 12 rats that are pets, 20 rats in the rescue (all here, none currently in foster - thankfully, though, we got a mama in for an e-spay and prevented another litter and we've had a few adoptions recently and got the numbers down from nearly 30), plus our 2 dogs, a cat and a mouse. And both of my parents need taking care of. :\ That said, this is a house, I can't imagine how you managed to fit everyone in! :) I can't work due to health issues, so I'm there, too. :)

Anyhow, I'll spread the word and see what help we can get for that rescue.
Yea, I know not being able to save or keep them all is going to be hard. :(
Luckily right now I have lots of free time to spend with my future rats and rescues since my husband is the only one working. I am interested in breeding but I know how important rescue is too.

Do you guys ever have foster rats that dont get along with your own? I was thinking of just fostering males for now so that they can share the same cage as my own 2. So I should probably have atleast 2 cages to be on the safe side huh?

Thank for all your help guys! :D

I'm also nervous about getting my two boys in September. I just want everything to go smoothly...
Awww... I just read the page about the San Jose case. Those poor rats! I am very tempted to help out.. but I wanted to wait at least a month after I got my boys to foster. To make sure they got settled and that I wasn't gonna overwhelm myself. (I also have 4 dogs and one is a 3 month old mastiff...so I do already have a bit of responsibility)

But looking at those pictures made me so sad. Their little faces pulled at my heartstrings... :(

I wanna help.... maybe I should just adopt one after I'm settle with my two? What do you guys think?
AlexzRose said:
Do you guys ever have foster rats that dont get along with your own? I was thinking of just fostering males for now so that they can share the same cage as my own 2. So I should probably have atleast 2 cages to be on the safe side huh?

Thank for all your help guys! :D

I'm also nervous about getting my two boys in September. I just want everything to go smoothly...
The rescue should provide you a cage for your fosters you should ALWAYS quarantine for at least two weeks. My fosters are rarely ,if ever, even the same room together. It is really important that you know this and I hope that the rescue will talk to you about this. If she says you can keep your fosters and your rats together I would think twice about working with her before you are more educated yourself and can help her in her rescue. A three week quarantine is best in any "rat in" situation. Please be sure to think up some good questions for this person you will be helping. Make sure you are clear on her policies and procedures before you start anything. It is really important to get everything out in the open right away. Make sure this is someone you can work with and be sure that all of your questions are answered throughly. you wna tto do the best by the rats so make sure she is willing to go over everything. Some good questions would be:

Do I pay for their food, bedding, cage, vet care, accesories or is it supplied by the rescue?

Who is my contact person in case of emergency?

What vet in my area has your infomration on file so I have no issues getting vet care in case of emergency?

Also make sure you know how many more you can handle, if you prefer boys or girls, if you already have intact males or females make sure that all cages are escape proof if there is a member of theopposite sex in your house that is also intact (to prevent ANY oops litters), Make sure you get a copy of their adoption agreement. Also make sure you believe that what they are doing is best to fit with yur vision of helping rats. If they only charge a 2 dollar donation fee chances are the rats are going for snake food and you wouldn't feel very good about fostering food. (I am in no way saying this rescue does that just pointing out an example)
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As far as the San Jose hoarder situation. do what you can even if you offer your services for helping with cage cleanings once a week I am sure it will help. I wouldn't overwhelm yourself right now since everything is happening but if you really think you can handle adopting one of the rats by all means contact them. Make sure you have a vet fund in place though since these rats are not in the best of health right now. I am sure the rescue is doing everything they can but with 150 needing to be saved it is a tight squeeze for them.
Alexzrose! You live in Selma!? I'm in Fresno... I work at a 24 hour vet hospital on Blackstone and Herndon. You're twenty? I'm a little older but I'd bet we know some of the same people...
Really?? Man, I wish I worked at a vet's office. Are you a tech or something? I'm jealous. You guys arent hiring for any positions are you? lol. I'll even clean cages I dont care. hehehe.

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I know this is a bit OT, but if you are looking for a mentor, be sure to get one who has the correct names for their rats on their websites. I took a look at that HGLR website and she's got alot of her varieties misnamed. If she's breeding, she really should know the difference between a Russian silver and a PEW. Not judging her as a person (I don't know this person or harbor any ill will), just stating the obvious. I would probably look elsewhere for a mentor as she's just not experienced enough to be a reliable mentor. Anyone who has only been breeding for 2-3 years really should not be mentoring anyone. Just my opinion. Look for long-term breeders like 5-10 years. There are very few of us left unfortunately as most breeders quit after 3 years or sometimes less.
Very good advice Deercreekrattery!! I agree completely if a breeder can not properly name a variety then there is something to be concerned about. Kudos to you for bringing that up.
Go for helpin the Rat hoarder case. It'll look good on records and such plusitll do ggood for the rats...
Im too far to personally help(besides donations) =[
deercreekrattery said:
I know this is a bit OT, but if you are looking for a mentor, be sure to get one who has the correct names for their rats on their websites. I took a look at that HGLR website and she's got alot of her varieties misnamed. If she's breeding, she really should know the difference between a Russian silver and a PEW. Not judging her as a person (I don't know this person or harbor any ill will), just stating the obvious. I would probably look elsewhere for a mentor as she's just not experienced enough to be a reliable mentor. Anyone who has only been breeding for 2-3 years really should not be mentoring anyone. Just my opinion. Look for long-term breeders like 5-10 years. There are very few of us left unfortunately as most breeders quit after 3 years or sometimes less.
Really?? I am really new to rats so I didnt even know she had them misnamed! Does anyone know of a rattery that is pretty well established? I know of Bii Rattery which is right here in Fresno but..... the lady stopped answering my emails. I had already contacted HGLR before I found her and once she found out that I was even in talks with HGLR she insisted that I buy from them since I started talking with them first. Which made no sense to me because she was closer and as the prospective buyer don't I have the right to change my mind about where I purchase my rat for any reason?? Coreect me if I'm wrong of course.

Anyways so does anyone know of any established ratteries in California?
I would avoid Bii Rattery as well. She is also not experienced in the breeding aspect of things and cannot possibly mentor someone as she barely speaks English and is actually quite snotty. I know of many people who have tried to deal with her, but she's very stuck up and refuses to work with other breeders or even answer their questions about her rats' pedigrees. That's a big red flag for me.
While RRLM has some really typy rats, I also doubt her ability to mentor as she also misnames many rats on her site. She seems to make up names for them such as 'Platinum Fawn'. I also have doubts about any breeder who has 30+ litters of rats in the span of 6 months. When I see her website, I don't see an overall goal in her breedings, just lots of babies that will be able to be placed easily. More power to ya if you can place 8 litters of babies in one month, but to me it seems way excessive. Even if you didn't have another job, that's alot of time needed just to socialize them. What about the adult rats? Do they get any attention or socialization? Are they simply culled out when no longer 'useful'? When a breeder breeds that many litters and doesn't keep any out of the litters, it tells me that the breeder is not breeding to improve, they are breeding for money. The whole point of breeding is to improve and if you aren't keeping many rats out of your litters, how do you know if you are improving? You simply cannot tell how a rat is going to turn out as an adult if you place them at 5-6 weeks with pet adopters. Keeping only 1 baby out of 100 really reduces your odds of having a rat that will turn out to be a fantastic adult. Also, when a breeder breeds a 3 month old male 5-6 times, it tells me that the breeder has no patience and is not willing to wait 4 more months to see how that buck will mature. I'm sorry, but a buck can change after it's bred and a 3 month old buck, while sexually mature, is not physically or mentally mature. I hate to get on my soapbox as I don't have any problems with RRLM, just don't agree with her breeding methods.
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Thank you so much for your input. It all makes perfect sense. Which rattery is RRLM?

Wow. It is really hard to find a good rattery....
Do you know much about any other California ratteries? Any you would recommend?
RRLM is Ratz Realm in CA. I've got some rats out of her lines and while they are sweet and typy, I am not 100% sold on their health. I've seen heart issues, a Zymbal gland tumor, myco issues and short lifespans in the rats out of those lines. All are things that I like to avoid in my rats.
Hmm.. thats the other breeder I have been looking at. So there are not really any ratteries in CA that you completely recommend?
How far are you willing to travel for babies? There is a rattery in my area that is pretty god. I have two babies from her. If you want I will give you the link for her website then you can get other peoples opinions on them. Let me add here that thse are the only two breeder rats I have and I only took them because one of them, Gir, was from a pregnant rescue she took in and while he has his issues he is a great boy. Blaze is from her rats and is top notch healthy though a little bit of a punk LoL.
I think 3-4 hours is my driving limit. Where are you located?
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