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Domesticating wild rats caught at adulthood

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#1 ·
I'm a rat owner...sort of. I caught an Eastern woodrat in (appropriately) my woodshop. Evidence of her residency became apparent before I even knew she was there. Cords and wires were severed, and almost every one of them looked like it was cut with a sharp blade, not chewed. A couple of the severed plugs were nowhere to be found. I started losing halfway-finished projects. Pen turning is the latest facet of woodworking I'm trying to perfect, and the hardest part is trying to get the perfect shine. Sometimes, I'll work on polishing several pen barrels at a time before I assemble them, but production was halted when I started losing pen barrels. And drill bits. And one half of a yo-yo I was making from purpleheart. Then my broom started balding; half its bristles were gone. The only two people that set foot in my shop regularly are 14-year-old son, and my neighbor, Jamie. I was getting plenty heated, trying to figure out which one of them thought he was doing something hilarious.


I guess I should be flattered that my efforts have been met with approval from the most discerning aficionados of shiny loot.

Then I found the first pack rat stash while I was straightening up the shop. Everything was just piled in one corner, even the broom bristles and electrical cords. I also found several blue shop towels, a lot of used segments of sandpaper rolls I had used on the lathe and tossed to the floor, packing peanuts, a pack of Jamie's cigarettes that was still halfway full, my new torch lighter that was only three days old when I lost it, several crushed aluminum cans (I recycle), some unused wood pen blanks I had actually ordered online and paid quite a bit for (Gaboon ebony is a frightfully expensive wood!) and one of my Kobalt screwdrivers. Even after finding the mess, I still had no idea how in the world everything had wound up in the corner. A few nights later, my shop guest made her first appearance. I work nights because Louisiana heat is murder when it's married to Louisiana humidity, and I was sitting at the workbench when she appeared two feet away from where I was sitting, smelled me, and scampered off. I had no idea what she was. I had never seen a rat before. I don't recall seeing one even in a pet store. She didn't look like any of the rats I had seen in movies or on TV, so I resumed my work, and thought about rodents.

A couple of nights after she made her debut, I saw her again around midnight, and texted Jamie. He had just gone to bed but decided that mystery rodents were more interesting...and he never has anything important to do, anyway. He brought a squirrel trap with him that looks like it was made before the wheel was invented. He ignored my suggestions to oil it, baited it with peanut butter, and set it a couple of feet from where I found the stash. Less than five minutes later, the rat came out, crawled into the trap without hesitation, and gleefully started grazing on peanut butter, perched right on top of the trip mechanism. I tapped Jamie, who stood up saw what was happening. It took about four seconds for him to realize what was happening, but once the light clicked on, he got mad and hollered something about "Yer not gettin' a free meal ya *******!" as he flailed his arms. The rat was out of sight before he got the third word out. Eventually, I came up with the idea to tie fishing line to the hook that restrains the spring-loaded door, and the next time she took the bait, I gave the line a sharp tug, and she was trapped.

I took this picture a few minutes later.


Poor thing was scared, and I was mystified. She looks like an overgrown mouse, not the beady-eyed things that come to mind whenever I think of rats. I worried that the trap's wires might hurt her feet, so I made a crappy box from 1/2" sheathing and hot glue, with a Plexiglass front and a lid that was too small to sit squarely on top. I skewed it a bit so it wouldn't fall in, and somehow managed to get the rat into the box.

Not long after dawn, Jamie came back into the shop with two baby rats he found outside. Instead of leaving them alone, he thought it would be a brilliant idea to pick them up and bring them inside. Damage was done, so I added two baby rats to the box. They were only about a week old, and they obviously belonged to the rat I had captured. Mama rat didn't abandon her concern about her predicament and immediately focus all of her attention on them, but I could easily see the familiarity she had with the babies.

About half an hour later, I looked up from the lathe just in time to see mama rat push the roof aside with her nose. She had actually climbed right up the sheathing and moved the roof enough to escape, and she didn't waste any time. "Screw you two kids, I'm outta here!" Gone.

At that point, the adventure changed from entertainment to responsibility. I hadn't researched anything about rats, and I just assumed that human scent would make her abandon her babies. So I immediately began learning how to take care of newborn rats, and even though they must be tended every 2-4 hours at that age, around the clock, I did a **** fine job. I actually got attached to them. They squeaked, they squirmed, they REALLY enjoyed the feedings, but they didn't make it. Poor things thrived for five days...their eyes were almost ready to open...but something (probably my fault) gave them a respiratory infection, I didn't have a way to help them, and the vet couldn't do anything (because it's illegal to treat wild animals) and I just watched helplessly as they gasped for air they couldn't get. I couldn't even give them a quick death because I was fervently hoping and wishing they would recover. But they suffocated in the open air before dying in my hands. I was both frustrated and depressed.



When I started noticing things were missing again, I looked in that corner and saw that mama rat had started a new stash. I set the trap, baited it with peanut butter, and caught her again, but she escaped as I was trying to transfer her to a different box. I caught her a third time. Got her in the original sheathing/hot glue box, but the too-small roof fell in, and the surprised rat took the opportunity to escape before the surprised woodworker could make any attempts to prevent it. I caught her a fourth time, she escaped a fourth time. When I caught her for the fifth time with the same bait, (peanut butter = crack for rats), I made a pretty decent rat habitat with solid wood and Plexiglass. I made an "external" room that had a screen floor (fireplace screen, not screen-door screen) for those private moments in every rodent's life (it was the bathroom, haha). The "bathroom" had a hinged ceiling so I could reach into the lower level of the cage to put food and bedding inside, and I put a heavy box of drill bits on top of that ceiling so mama rat wouldn't nose her way out again. The whole setup looked good for a hot glue job, but I was worried that there wasn't enough air flow because I used Plexiglass instead of wire (which I didn't have).

I didn't plan to keep her long, anyway, because it's almost impossible to tame a wild rat if it's caught in its adulthood, but oddly, she was showing a few domestic traits. She would approach the Plexiglass if I put my finger against it, she didn't shy away from my voice like she did throughout the first couple of captures, she was nibbling on the morsels I had put in with her, and then she was drinking water from a dropper I was holding for her through one of the many vents. I went to a hardware store to buy some hardware cloth to improve her air circulation, and stopped by the pet store for some rat treats. I brought the goodies into the shed, and...no rat. The entire bathroom had fallen off. Even if she wasn't in it when it fell, the sound of that box of drill bits hitting the floor probably scared her out of her mind.

I set the trap again, but I put it outside, in a covered area attached to the back of the shed. I caught her for the 6th time less than three minutes after I put the trap down, baited with more peanut butter. I was starting to think she was enjoying the dance. This time, I modified the box with the ill-fitting roof and made a decent habitat out of it. While she was chilling in that home (it was only about 12" x 12" x 12", I started working on a "tower" whose frame was an old waterbed headboard someone threw away. I spent many hours working on it, but she got away in transit from box to tower. For a few days after that, she wouldn't go near anything that smelled like peanut butter. But on day 5, I caught her again after baiting a trap with chocolate pie crust, and she got away again while I was transferring her, surprising me with her leaping prowess and climbing ability (she skittered straight up a wide sheathing board and was out of sight before I could even say, "You suck!"). Three more days passed before I caught her again...with peanut butter...and I successfully installed her in the tower. She completely bypassed all of the little steps and ladders I had put in, navigating by hardware cloth. While she was in the tower, I successfully fed her several kernels of sweet corn by hand, through the wires of the hardware cloth. I went inside the house, and when I came back out to the shop four hours later, she was gone again, having chewed through the sheathing I had used when I ran out of hardware cloth. I slathered an aluminum can with peanut butter and set the trap again, and caught her within the hour. She wasn't even panicking over being caught anymore. She's escaped nine times, but I've caught her ten times. I didn't even use a trap for #10: she hid inside a roll of roofing felt, so I put an aluminum can in each end to cut off another bid for freedom, picked the whole roll up, and held it vertically over the opening in the third cage I made for her until she crawled down into it.

That was two or three weeks ago. She can't get out of my latest cage, even after I added another level on top of it. So now, I have a trapped wild rodent. Killing her isn't an option for me. Dumping her in the woods far away from my house is almost a guaranteed death sentence. But I can't let her continue her mischief in my shop, so now I'm taking care of a wild animal. I had trouble giving her water, because she couldn't see either the dropper or the pipette I used, but I found that adding some fruit juice helped her find the tip by smell. I tried putting water in a clean juice cap, but she immediately spilled everything when she picked it up to "pack" it somewhere. After that, she just crapped in the water-filled lid and kept doing it every time I cleaned and refilled it. I spent two days teaching her how to use the water bottle, but she's a pro now, so I don't have to worry about dropper quenching.

I've made several modifications to the cages. I put an 11" mesh exercise wheel on the upper level, but she's not having any of that nonsense. She probably suspects another trap or similar horrible fate. She eats straight from my hand now, and she's very sweet and gentle about it. Corn is her favorite, but I know I can't give her too much of that. She licks my fingers clean and even puts her front paws on my hand so she can reach further back to search for other tidbits.


Too much corn makes a ratty fatty.

As completely comfortable as she has grown to being hand fed, she won't let me touch her. I'm disappointed by this; I love petting animals. I make cats and dogs melt in my lap. But the Force is strong in this poor little vermin, and her instincts run way too deep.

Most of the time, she seems content, even happy, but I'm not so deluded that I believe her #1 yearning is for anything other than freedom. So I've resigned myself to a rat's lifetime of obligation, and none of the love.

I named her Rita, after Rita Hayworth, who played indirect roles in The Shawshank Redemption via classic movies and wall posters. Shawshank was about prison, the rat in sort of a prison, so...Rita. That, and since rats can learn their names, I thought it would be an easy one for her to catch.

The fact that her name is an anagram of "I, Rat" is just a bonus.

She stars in my first YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFW1QVWbIc

The next one will be better. I have plenty of footage; she's been a wellspring of weird rodent behavior.
 
#5 ·
Interesting story. I've always loved woodrats. You should know it's illegal to keep wildlife though. She could also be harboring a host of different zoonotic diseases.
 
#6 ·
Maybe I'm being ignorantly optimistic, but I'm not worried about disease from the little pest. They're clean animals, she looks healthy, and has a wonderful disposition (i.e. doesn't act like she's sick or in pain). I'm aware of the laws against keeping wildlife, though, and I've chosen to be a rebel rather than kill her, drop her off so she can be eaten, or let her chew my shop to pieces and rob me blind.

But I guess that explains why woodrats aren't bred for domestication.
 
#7 ·
She is beautiful!!! I love your story - you should be a journalist!!

I love your pens!!!! Do you have a website? Are you on eBay? I must have one!!!
 
#20 ·
So you're saying you would have taken your captured rat and dumped her in unfamiliar territory "immediately", but you didn't mention your plan for the babies that could very well be stashed somewhere that you would've just made motherless.

Being a newcomer here, I'd like to tread softly, but there's really no gentle way to say that it's obvious that you simply jumped in on a discussion without reading anything of the original post, apart from the subject heading.
 
#13 ·
I loved my little wild rat. I would seriously pay 20 grand just to have him back. But he was an infant when I found him. I wouldn't keep an adult wild raised rat. I was all about my rat making his own life choices. He is wild! He knows what is best for him. He wanted to go on a walk at night, which he had done before, and never came back. The neighbors think their dogs killed him. I'll never know. I loved him more than I ever thought possible. He was wild though, so I respected him enough to give him the choice to leave. He may have gotten himself killed. I loved him too much to cage him, that's a sad life for a wild rat or any wild animal. I know I hate it when I feel trapped. But this is all how I view things raising my little buddy. We had a great, but short life together. No one here knows Rita like you do.
 
#14 ·
I would release him . Although there's no indication that wood rats carry hantavirus http://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/pdf/hps_brochure.pdf , it just doesn't seem right, as gotchea said, to keep and adult wild rat in captivity. There isn't a course of action that's risk free here since wood rats are very territorial, and he is at risk of being attacked. Maybe the best thing is to release him fairly close to where you are and hope he doesn't do further damage to your woodshop.
 
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#17 ·
yes you are correct.... I actually was kind of impressed with the cage. I believe OP said he doesn't know anything about rats, so I thought it was really cool for someone to make that doesn't know much about rats. But that's my thoughts. :) of course, people can always improve. But I thought it was kind of neat. Ya know?
 
#18 ·
I feel some of your responses have been a bit harsh - yes the rat should be set free - but must you be down right rude to a new member who stated he had no idea about pet rats.

He obviously cares about the little lady - and torn on what to do with her - he doesn't want to harm her but his lively hood is also at stake.

Lighten up please.
 
#21 ·
I feel some of your responses have been a bit harsh - yes the rat should be set free - but must you be down right rude to a new member who stated he had no idea about pet rats.He obviously cares about the little lady - and torn on what to do with her - he doesn't want to harm her but his lively hood is also at stake.Lighten up please.
I didn't read anyone's responses as rude :/ if I came off rude I am sorry op! That was not my intention at all. I don't think it was anyone's intention. It's crazy how everyone perceives things different. I'll try and work on my responses.
 
#24 ·
Evander, oh okay! No need to say sorry at all! I've been told before I come off rude. So I guess I am insecure about it. Kucero, I hope you don't feel put off by our response. Only a few of us have had wild rats, and one member who responded, Mrs.Brisby, I believe works with wildlife. She even raised raccoons! Hopefully we can help you the best we can.
 
#25 ·
Just like when gotchea posted advice about Wilder awhile back, I remember lots of people got upset and were very critical. Someone else pointed out though her and Wilders situation was not common, this wasn't just your average story of a new owner with a domesticated rat, so we can't really treat it like it is. Different things have to be taken into consideration. I once took in wild mice, and I had no clue what I was doing, actually I released them back into the wild probably too soon and they're most likely dead.

Kucero you might want to do some internet research on wild rats and see what their diet and behavior is like, since this is a domesticated pet rats forum we might not have the best knowledge of wild rat needs. Rita is super cute btw, those giant eyes are beautiful!
 
#29 ·
Thank you for the advice, K...believe me, I know more about wild rats than I ever thought I'd care to read.

Eastern woodrats are herbivores that enjoy the occasional insect. Rita's diet is a smorgasbord of fruits, vegetables, and treats. Carrots, potatoes, corn, green beans, dry oats, uncooked rice, apples, bananas, Goldfish crackers, grape jelly, strawberry preserves, peanuts still in the shell, and small pieces of Hershey's chocolate. The only vegetable she's turned down so far is green peas.

Behaviorally, these are solitary animals, but the still show the same signs of stress and contentment that fancy rats do. I've paid close attention to this rat, and I've made notes of behavioral changes. For example, she used to sleep with her eyes wide open.


Obviously, things have changed.

She has a particular spot she runs to when she wants to be fed, or when she anticipates being fed. She's not free, but she's not entirely unhappy, either, and I'm still learning whatever I can, so that I'll be better able to make long-term decisions for her, and better equipped to keep her loving life in the meantime.
 
#31 ·
It's good you've done so much research. From the look of your pens and her current setup, it seems you are very skilled at building things. Maybe eventually you could build her a really nice habitat that mimics her natural environment as best you can. Good luck working with her, keep us updated on your progress :)
 
#32 ·
I certainly hope I didn't come off as rude. If I did then I truly am sorry. I'm usually on my not-so-smart phone so I have to keep my answers short and to the point. Gotchea is correct, I work to rehabilitate wildlife, mostly lagomorphs and rodents. As a wildlife rehabilitator I like to remind people that wild animals could potentially carry some pretty deadly things. If you're willing to deal with the possible consequences of contracting these diseases than there is nothing I can do about it. I commend you for not killing her and I understand why you wouldn't want to release her but, it is my opinion, that releasing her is the best thing to do. She isn't injured, malnourished, or unable to care for herself. Wild animals become very stressed when confined, no matter how large the cage is. it's unnatural and they don't like it. Wildlife rehabilitators release animals as soon as they possibly can because for some animals, especially the smaller ones, the stress of confinement will literally kill them. They eat, they drink, they seem fine but they aren't. I run into people like you all the time. they're good people, kind people, their hearts are in the right place! They just aren't experienced enough to take care of wildlife and often times they end up hurting the animal instead of helping it. Also, if you're **** bent on keeping her, aren't you afraid she'll chew through the plywood?
 
#33 ·
I live near a sizable expanse of forest. The area is saturated with snakes, owls, hawks, skunks, and other menaces that would love to eat her. Without the predators, I have no doubt she would thrive if I released her somewhere else, but as densely populated as these woods are, I'm afraid she'd become a meal before being able to find shelter. I'm almost certain of it.

Her new cage and all its additions are made of melanine. She won't be chewing through that. I do add chewables here and there, though, mostly wood scraps
 
#34 ·
First of all, this is a story about a wild rat that invaded a human habitat. Which makes it fair game for killer traps and poison bait stations... Our new member gets points for not killing the little vermin.... It's not a matter of what he could have done better, but what he could have done worse and by the way, which he had every right to do, moral considerations aside.

Now what to do next... I catch mice in the house all of the time and I set them free far away in a nice park, next to an incinerator near and ice cream store and next to a river... It's not ideal, but food is abundant and there is shelter and no nearby human homes... it's the best I can do as my wife is both rat and mouse phobic, my daughter is 8 years old and is likely to get bit playing with the wild mice and my wife already puts up with two rats, bless her heart. It's not optimal, but it's better than killing them...

Now, there may be human health issues involved, but there may not be. Those are risks the owner has to be aware of and assume. The fact is that most rats don't carry diseases and odds are in his favor. On the other hand if he does contract something terminal, his survivors are going to have an interesting story to tell their friends about how their relative single-handedly brought back the black plague... Not really likely to happen, but folks have the right to take their own chances; so lets lighten up a bit...

Here's where I'm going out on a limb... there is no proof that wild adult wood rats can't be tamed or befriended. In fact it would make for a truly interesting experiment and a wild stretch of immersion theory... In theory if the OP was crazy enough to lock himself into an immersion area and work with the rat, he might be able to bond with it and the result might be something that can co-habitate with him. Obviously, there are certain risks of getting bitten involved and it overall strikes me as sort of nuts, but if Kucero was willing to try and give this rat a decent life, which includes out of cage activity, a human relationship and a roomier cage, I'd be willing to play along and consult on the project. (I might not mind a reasonable discount on one of those nifty pens either...) But really I'd be interested in the project just for the information we all might gain from it.

I agree with everyone that this isn't a normal situation and I can find about a thousand reasons this shouldn't be tried, but I grew up in the mountains and there were some fairly unique types that preferred to live life just a little bit apart from the norm... I've seen pet deer, raccoon, squirrels and an old lady that let rattle snakes nest in her basement. So a wood rat isn't too far of a stretch.

But, I am serious about socializing the wood rat. I don't think life in a cage would be fair to the animal. There have been several wild rats and my own part wild rat that enjoyed a full and happy life with a human family, but, to be fair, none were wood rats and all of them were socialized as pups.

Now, to be entirely fair, lots of years ago, there was a group of city kids, driving their dad's new Cadillac that asked me if I knew the best place to find mushrooms... I told them about a very secluded place where they were likely to find any mushroom they ever wanted way back in the woods and they drove off with their field guide to poisonous and hallucinogenic mushrooms. Not seeing much of an up side to this adventure I didn't go along, but gave them excellent directions. A friend of mine who drove a tow truck, stopped by several hours later; he told me he had just towed a new Cadillac out of the creek with a bunch of teens speaking in tongues wandering around it... Now I suppose someone else might not have told them about the misty little gorge where all kinds of wondrous mushrooms grew, but then I wouldn't have this nifty story to tell 30 years later. So just because I think it's possible to socialize an adult wild wood rat, and I'll give advise from a safe distance, doesn't necessarily mean that things are going to end well... Although it would be very cool if they do.
 
#35 ·
Kucero, I think what you've done is amazing!! I read the whole post, watched the video and read all the comments. While I have NO idea on taming wild animals or keeping them in a cage etc etc...I do feel as well that some of the comments you received were pretty **** harsh!! Wilder's mommy, not you. We know how you feel.

Rita, certainly doesn't look like a caged wild animal pacing up and down trying to get out. She looked really content doing her thing and the fact that she is eating off your hand is also a really good thing as she could have taken huge chunks out of your hand had she wanted to. I think your cage is awesome too and the way she curled up to go sleep was so cute. Typically not on the nice bedding! What you have done in saving and giving this rat a home and to save your workshop is really so awesome. Thank you for not putting poison down to kill the 'vermin' as so many others would have done!

Please please keep posting pics and videos I would love to know how Rita is getting on.