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It is done by blood. I just got my testing kit today in the mail. The suggested method to get blood is to prick the base of the tail or to over trim a nail. My poor babies :(
Oh my goodness. :( I cant imagine how hard it is to test them and hear the squeaks, thank you for being a wonderful breeder and testing your babies. They're going to need a lot of love after those tests.
 
No one, I repeat no one ever died from that virus. I spoke too quickly. The flu is killing between 3000 and 20,000+ a year and no one is panicking half like a few breeders now for something that never killed anyone and that most likely (99.99999% chance) won't even kill 1 person anywhere in the US. So please stop panicking and making everyone worried for absolutely nothing.
 
Plus for a person to die from it she/he would have to have such a depressed immune system that likely the common flu or any of the millions of different viruses out there would get that person first. My point is nothing out of the ordinary here. I bet that virus has been in the US and pet rats for decades and no one ever noticed anything at all because no one got sick so far.
 
Wait... to test it you have to either prick the base of the tail (which I understand) or over trim a nail? I don't get the nail part. That bleeds a LOT. Like... a REAL lot. I just had an incident with Guy the other week and in a matter of seconds my bathroom looked like a murder scene. I thought he was going to die.

I'd opt for the tail. Gosh our ratties don't deserve this.

Edited to add: I live in Southeast Wisconsin. I called my doctor on Monday and explained the situation. His nurse asked me a couple questions and then opted not to test me though told me not to get any more rats until this blows over and to use safety precautions.
 
No one, I repeat no one ever died from that virus. I spoke too quickly. The flu is killing between 3000 and 20,000+ a year and no one is panicking half like a few breeders now for something that never killed anyone and that most likely (99.99999% chance) won't even kill 1 person anywhere in the US. So please stop panicking and making everyone worried for absolutely nothing.
I think you are mistaken about why people are getting upset....

It is not over the worry that people may get sick very much. Or that people will die. Even though eh still no breeder should EVER be selling a rat that carries any virus no matter how deadly or not deadly it is. That is not ethical.
And it is also easy to say no one has died or even been that sick when it is so rare. There hasn't really been an outbreak before.

The CDC obviously cares....

Breeders are in a panic because we are watching our friends rats all be killed. Every single rat they owned. Their beloved pets, members of their family killed. Not to even mention the years and years of work, effort and dedication that went into those lines.

The one breeder had her rats euthanized yesterday, another today. I saw the pictures. They did it in her home. It made me cry.


I am a breeder and I am used to life and death. I've had to cull rats even. But seeing that carried out.... it would have killed me.

I can not even begin to imagine what they are going through. So yes breeders are scared and worried right now.


The health department said they were shocked at how organized and large spread the rat community actually is and how we all share rats. By far most good breeders hopefully quarantine, but others do not and as this virus shows no symptoms it would unlikely go unnoticed in a quarantine. And there has actually been litter study on actual rats with he virus so there is conflicting info on how it is spread.

The CDC is looking directly at rat breeders right now. People are terrified that the CDC is going to come in and kill all of their rats.

People are even afraid of what it will mean for the rat hobby. Now I don't think it will change anything but we never known.



Also some are saying the CDC is doing free testing right now but there is alot of conflicting reports on if it is true or how they test.... some are saying they just kill your rats some are saying they don't. I'm not sure what is true. I personally would just do the testing myself its $11 lol


There is also a huge difference between panicing and being concered and taking things seriously. I have seen little panic. Most breeders are just being responsible & ethical. I do not believe I have any worry that this affects me or my rats. But I am still temporarily closed and testing because it is the right thing to do. I have a commitment to my rats and to the public to only sell healthy rats.


Wait... to test it you have to either prick the base of the tail (which I understand) or over trim a nail? I don't get the nail part. That bleeds a LOT. Like... a REAL lot. I just had an incident with Guy the other week and in a matter of seconds my bathroom looked like a murder scene. I thought he was going to die.
You can use one of those things which I can't remember what it is called that stops the bleeding when you trim pet nails, afterwards.
 
I read more about the virus. It gets airborne when stuff like litter is moved around or when someone clean/vacuum the floor where infected rats have been hanging around...Most of wild rats (some sources say up to 90%) have it. They ALWAYS had it, I repeat, they ALWAYS HAD IT. The ONLY thing new is that you didn't know about it before. Ok now all rat mills have had some wild rats around at some point for sure, meaning that most likely all pet store rats always had it and no one got sick from it ever. Everyone ever visiting a pet store might have brought it back home too, infecting their rats. And none of those millions of people who got exposed to it ever got sick from it. So let's not run around like headless chickens, please. All commercial storage/ manufacture facilities where ALL the stuff you buy in supermarkets, or online...have been stored at some point; All the warehouses where the mails is stored before being shipped off to someplace else...have had rat infections. How many people work in those facilities? 10's of millions A YEAR in the US alone; yet no one EVER got sick from it. So really please stop the madness now. That state of total irrational panic will only have one outcome: thousands of pet rats ending in shelters and being killed for absolutely nothing whether they are infected or not. Not to mention all those sweet rats killed because their breeders got unnecessarily scared and irrational.
 
I read more about the virus. It gets airborne when stuff like litter is moved around or when someone clean/vacuum the floor where infected rats have been hanging around...Most of wild rats (some sources say up to 90%) have it. They ALWAYS had it, I repeat, they ALWAYS HAD IT. The ONLY thing new is that you didn't know about it before. Ok now all rat mills have had some wild rats around at some point for sure, meaning that most likely all pet store rats always had it and no one got sick from it ever. Everyone ever visiting a pet store might have brought it back home too, infecting their rats. And none of those millions of people who got exposed to it ever got sick from it. So let's not run around like headless chickens, please. All commercial storage/ manufacture facilities where ALL the stuff you buy in supermarkets, or online...have been stored at some point; All the warehouses where the mails is stored before being shipped off to someplace else...have had rat infections. How many people work in those facilities? 10's of millions A YEAR in the US alone; yet no one EVER got sick from it. So really please stop the madness now. That state of total irrational panic will only have one outcome: thousands of pet rats ending in shelters and being killed for absolutely nothing whether they are infected or not. Not to mention all those sweet rats killed because their breeders got unnecessarily scared and irrational.
You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if rats have always had it or not I'm not going to argue that because I dont personally know. The point is the CDC has their eyes on the rat fancy and is killing rats. People are scared more of the CDC then the virus itself because they're a powerful organization and could really affect the rat hobby if they wanted to. I'm pretty sure people are more worried about their rats being taken and killed then getting sick. I was just talking with another rat owner who is a really good friend and we were expressing our worry if this is widespread that the media will blow the situation up and rats dont need more stigma towards them then they already have.

Once again since moonkissed has tried to tell you to. People are worried about their rats. Not about getting sick.
We also cant just 'stop' the CDC is investigating and you cant just tell the CDC "Hey this isn't as serious as you think" because if they feel it's serious they're going to investigate regardless.
 
You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if rats have always had it or not I'm not going to argue that because I dont personally know. The point is the CDC has their eyes on the rat fancy and is killing rats. People are scared more of the CDC then the virus itself because they're a powerful organization and could really affect the rat hobby if they wanted to. I'm pretty sure people are more worried about their rats being taken and killed then getting sick. I was just talking with another rat owner who is a really good friend and we were expressing our worry if this is widespread that the media will blow the situation up and rats dont need more stigma towards them then they already have.Once again since moonkissed has tried to tell you to. People are worried about their rats. Not about getting sick.We also cant just 'stop' the CDC is investigating and you cant just tell the CDC "Hey this isn't as serious as you think" because if they feel it's serious they're going to investigate regardless.
With all due respect you probably haven't read Moonkissed's comments up to that last one nor noticed I was writing my last post while Moonkissed posted her last comment.

Looks like you missed my point though which was the same since my very first comment: don't get your rats tested voluntarily unless you are ok with them all being killed. Once rats are tested, you are obligated to repost any positive results. It is only because some people were irrationally afraid about the impact on their health and other people's health that I felt I had to explain more.

Of course NO ONE can fight or stop the OCD once they have decided to come and kill the rats. I don't think anyone here would be that naive as to believe they can. My whole point was not to legally have to call them if the rats test positive after you voluntarily chose to test the rats. I can't possibly be clearer than that.
 
Jokerfest- agreed.

Not to even mention the years and years of work, effort and dedication that went into those lines.
I think this is the poignant loss to the fancy. For a breeder, I imagine, of course, you always look for improvement in your lines, carefully choosing offspring, keeping records, matching pairs, working with other breeders on trades- all the while looking towards a never-ending goal. This person lost the legacy of their work. I wonder if, because of by presumably keeping good records and trading with other breeders, they could possibly 'rebuild' their lines?
 
So let's not run around like headless chickens, please.
I do not see anyone doing that?

I feel like you are getting very upset over this. I'm not sure why. We all have our own choices to make. But people are just trying to share information about what is going on and let people be informed.

If it was everywhere then I think it would have come up before :) It is definitely not something that is just everywhere and no one has noticed lol I don't think the CDC would be involved if that is true.
The UK also went through an outbreak Ithink in 2012... its definitely a rare thing to pop up in pet rats.

It surely is not black or white, all or nothing. I don't understand that attitude. Is it something we should take notice of? Yes. Should we take it seriously? Yes. Should be have mass panic? No. People are able to take precautions be smart and not go insane with panic. Atleast I am lol
I do suggest not buying rats until the CDC investigation is over with so we can see how wide spread it is. Let them do their thing. I do suggest all breeders should test their rats. If you are a pet owner and not in those states you likely have nothing to worry about. That doesn't mean they shouldn't take notice. Just be aware.

A woman did get sick. I believe she said she spent a week(I think, talked to too many people I could be mistaken on the time lol) in the hospital & then lost all of her rats as well as some other pets I won't mention. It is kindof a big deal to her. She didnt have a choice in it either. She begged and pleaded for help to get the CDC not to do this. They did it anyways.

I do have good news though. It seems like the CDC is working with the testing company Idexx to see if their tests are compatible & showing the same results. If so they may allow the tests we have done to count and won't require euthanizing rats to test!! *fingers crossed* I know several other breeders involved who sent away their tests and this could save their rats.

Not to mention all those sweet rats killed because their breeders got unnecessarily scared and irrational.
I don't understand what you mean by this? No one is going to go around killing uninfected rats. No one is panicking and killing rats or anything. Do you believe breeders are fine selling infected rats?

I'm not sure what to say about that.... Idk as a breeder I pride myself on my ethics. I couldn't ethically do that.
 
Jokerfest- agreed.



I think this is the poignant loss to the fancy. For a breeder, I imagine, of course, you always look for improvement in your lines, carefully choosing offspring, keeping records, matching pairs, working with other breeders on trades- all the while looking towards a never-ending goal. This person lost the legacy of their work. I wonder if, because of by presumably keeping good records and trading with other breeders, they could possibly 'rebuild' their lines?

Right? That is tragic. It takes so much time and effort and it is all possibly gone. I can't imagine that. This is my passion. I am pretty much 24/7 rats lol The amount of effort, time, study, and my very heart and soul that goes into it....

Hopefully she can find other breeders she worked with and have a chance at getting them back.

I'm not sure if she will after this though. It has to be so traumatic for her.

I admit I am feeling very emotional after seeing the pics of the CDC in her home and the dead rats. I went and kissed my babies & seriously cried.

And the breeders who had the CDC euthanize their rats were well known breeders in the community. Maybe we all would feel different if it was some person none of us knew. But you can't help but feel a bit touched, like it is close to home.
 
Sometimes information-sharing can look like panicking. I don't see anyone panicking in this thread, but I can see how my own earlier post might have been viewed that way. Here's what I said:

I live in MN and was wondering what my level of concern should be. We got our rats in October. So, I assume we'd know by now if someone in our household was going to get sick. I read this today, "To date, state health officials in Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin have been notified that their residents may have infected rats." https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00400.asp
Now, I wasn't panicking, but I do like a lot of information. And one of the ways I process information is to talk with others about it. So, I posted here, and I've been following the conversation.

By way of update, I contacted the "breeder" we got our rats from (breeder is in quotes because I don't believe it was the best breeding situation, and I wouldn't recommend her...but anyway...), and she said:

No worries here, all the infected rats are traced at coming from the same breeder who also housed wild rats who spread the virus. I typically dont take in outside animals. I am being vigilant about the situation but luckly the risk doesnt seem to high right now.
Can anyone verify this? And how are breeders getting their information? Are you talking directly with the CDC?
 
There is ALOT of misinformation being shared. People just make stuff up and share it as if it were fact.
And on top of it alot of people have been attacking the breeders involved, some of which just received sick rats.

At this very moment in time, no one has released the source of where it came from or how. It would make sense that it came from wild rats but was it a situation of someone taking in wild rats or having them in their home or them in turn getting it from someone else? IDK...

This is hopefully a good giant warning sign that people need to leave wild animals alone. The amount of posts I see where people catch wild rats is absurd.


Can anyone verify this? And how are breeders getting their information? Are you talking directly with the CDC?

In a few breeder groups we are all sharing information and discussing it. It has actually been, for the most part, really amazing how everyone has come together.
A few of the breeders directly involved have shared all of the info as they have gotten it, what the CDC has told them, etc...
A few other breeders have directly reached out to the CDC & Idexx and are sharing info from them. The CDC has a hotline you can call about the virus.
Some breeders contacted the CDC to get their animals tested as well.
 
I'm not a breeder but I recently purchased some rats from someone about a week ago. They said that they didn't purchase any infected rats but I wanted some peace of mind about me and my rat's safety. Would it be better to get myself tested or to get my rats tested?
 
I'm not a breeder but I recently purchased some rats from someone about a week ago. They said that they didn't purchase any infected rats but I wanted some peace of mind about me and my rat's safety. Would it be better to get myself tested or to get my rats tested?
I would get yourself tested first and then you can decide what to do about your rats. That way you're not forced into putting them to sleep or anything.
 
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