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I would get yourself tested first and then you can decide what to do about your rats. That way you're not forced into putting them to sleep or anything.
If you tested positive, your rats would likely be seized and destroyed. If you do decide to test, be ready for that possible outcome.
 
At this very moment in time, no one has released the source of where it came from or how. It would make sense that it came from wild rats but was it a situation of someone taking in wild rats or having them in their home or them in turn getting it from someone else? IDK...
Yosemite had an outbreak of hantavirus years ago after people visiting/camping were in contact with deermice by such activities as sleeping on the ground. I suppose with our situation it could have even stemmed from somebody innocently tracking in the virus on their shoes?

In a few breeder groups we are all sharing information and discussing it. It has actually been, for the most part, really amazing how everyone has come together.
A few of the breeders directly involved have shared all of the info as they have gotten it, what the CDC has told them, etc...
A few other breeders have directly reached out to the CDC & Idexx and are sharing info from them. The CDC has a hotline you can call about the virus.
Some breeders contacted the CDC to get their animals tested as well.
This sounds very encouraging. I think it's a testament to the professionalism and dedication to the bigger picture of the rodent fancy for these breeders to work freely with the CDC. Hopefully this collaboration will speed up the investigation. Thanks for sharing this info with us too!
 
Yosemite had an outbreak of hantavirus years ago after people visiting/camping were in contact with deermice by such activities as sleeping on the ground. I suppose with our situation it could have even stemmed from somebody innocently tracking in the virus on their shoes?



This sounds very encouraging. I think it's a testament to the professionalism and dedication to the bigger picture of the rodent fancy for these breeders to work freely with the CDC. Hopefully this collaboration will speed up the investigation. Thanks for sharing this info with us too!
I believe that the outbreak there was a different type of hantavirus. There are different kinds and that one is pretty common in that area. I haven't read that much about it.


I agree wholeheartedly. As painful as it could potentially be so many breeders are really showing how important the health of our rats/people are. I think that is a beautiful thing.

I just mailed out my tests this afternoon.

I've only seen on negative test result so far being posted. But people should start getting their results back in so hopefully we will know more.

There is a rumor (worry?) that it could possibly be from an imported shipment and that would mean that almost every breeder who works with a handful of varieties has it because almost everyone got them from that source. Including myself.... so that is not a fun thought. *fingers crossed*
 
If you tested positive, your rats would likely be seized and destroyed. If you do decide to test, be ready for that possible outcome.
I wish I could edit that post I wasn't really thinking about how you'd have to tell doctors you have pet rats to get tested for it. :( Jaguar is totally right here be prepared for the possible outcome.
 
That is true... ): But suppose my rats were positive and I decided to not test them or myself in case they would have to be put down, would the Seoul virus eventually "leave the rat"?
 
That is true... ): But suppose my rats were positive and I decided to not test them or myself in case they would have to be put down, would the Seoul virus eventually "leave the rat"?
Thats a really interesting question I'd love to know the answer to aswell, it eventually 'leaves' people so I wonder if it does 'leave' the rat.
 
In my other comment I said there was a rumor about where the source came from, I just wanna say it was definitely just a rumor and no one at all knows where the source of this came from.

Some people who got rats from the infected have themselves tested negative which is good. Rat test results are slowly coming back. One of the breeders who had her rats euthanized by the CDC... only 2 of her rats ended up testing positive :(



That is true... ): But suppose my rats were positive and I decided to not test them or myself in case they would have to be put down, would the Seoul virus eventually "leave the rat"?
nope. They have it for life.

Kindof technically u do too. Like you would always carry antibodies and never be able to ever get it again like chicken pox.

There is some debate right now over how it works in rats. Sadly they have studied it in people more than in rats so there is not perfectly clear info.
Some of the studies used only a handful of rats even so it just doesn't make things very clear.

Some believe that it is continually shed by the rats meaning they will always be able to infect others during those times.
Others believe they only do so in the beginning so some were saying just the first 40 days they would be contagious.

We just do not know which makes it kindof worse. People are trying to find more answers.




Every single breeder I have talked to has agreed that if our rats were infected we would euthanize. Our biggest issue right now is being able to do it ourselves with love and care & only losing rats that test positive vs them just forcing us to lose all of our rats.

Also some people are suggesting that if you are not showing any symptoms yourself to get your rats tested instead of yourself. Since you have the antibodies forever, if you got it 10 years ago you will still test positive.
At this time we are hoping that individual blood tests on our rats will be accepted as proof.
But yes there is alot of fear about the CDC right now. They were kindof being a bit bully like towards people.
We do have rights. They can not come into your home without a warrant but they have been threatening towards people who try to fight.

Some people are afraid that it is a push to regulate rat breeders or even affect reptiles via their food sources. I am not a tin foil hat type of person but they are showing that they would rather have everyone just euthanize all of the rats that could in anyway be connected without even bothering to test just so it is all wiped out.

I wanna believe the CDC is just being thorough & wanna be safe but it is all still worrisome.
 
Only get your rats tested if you are ok with them being killed. Don't believe for a second that they will come and kill only 1 infected rat. They will come and kill all of them. As a rat parent, I won't take the risk- I love my rats. Again it has been blown out of proportion, even if your rats are infected nothing will happen to you- you are not even going to get any symptoms or whatnot.
 
Poor breeder who had only two infected rats and ALL of them were killed. How many were killed? Probably a couple dozen or so:( Hopefully it will serve as a warning to everyone else.
 
only 2 of her rats ended up testing positive
This is really surprising to me. I don't know if she kept these two in a separate cage or in a colony, but with the ease the CDC describes the virus transferring to people, I would think that it would just as easily spread from rat to rat and that most or all of her colony would have tested positive.
 
even if your rats are infected nothing will happen to you- you are not even going to get any symptoms or whatnot.
Well not for everyone. People have gotten sick. The one woman's son was sick & out of school for a week. Luckily he was not more serious and didn't need to go to the hospital. The woman did have to go to the hospital though. She got hit hard by it. People have gotten sick. Others said they felt a bit tired and had head/muscle aches. Out of 8 people that is still kindof icky :(

No one is dropping dead but still that is not nothing.

And yes if someone had a compromised immune system it could be worse. I also do worry about people who do not have insurance or don't go to the doctor for whatever reason. Or even if u just got the flu and had to miss work that would be hard on some people.

I still do not understand the need to see things in two extremes. It does not have to be all or nothing. We can be like yeah it is not that serious. People do not need to panic. By far most of us will not even be touched by this or concerned. But it is good to also take it seriously. To not completely dismiss it.

We can all agree that it is not very dangerous. There is no need to freak out. If you do have a compromised immune system I would suggest discussing it with your doctor but if not I wouldn't be very concerned.

You have made your opinion known that you will not test. That is your choice. No one is forcing you to do it. I don't see the reason to keep repeating it?
Everyone do what you feel is right. That is all any of us can do.

But one should remember that the ONLY people who have lost rats so far are ones who themselves tested positive because someone was in the hospital. None of them had any choice in the matter. The CDC has not ran around seizing other rats so far.

At this moment in time they are letting us test and even testing for some people without taking all of their rats. They have even let some breeders choose which ones to test. I know one breeder who has many rats pregnant/nursing right now because he was breeding extra for a breeder event and so he only took his males/older females to be tested, and they let him.

Again we shouldn't take it to one extreme or the other. I feel that there is a thin line where it can feel like blame towards those breeders who are already hurting. We do not need to induce panic around that either. We should stick with facts the best we can.

None of us are going to know the next step until more testing has been done or the CDC makes the next step. So deep breathes all around :)


This is really surprising to me. I don't know if she kept these two in a separate cage or in a colony, but with the ease the CDC describes the virus transferring to people, I would think that it would just as easily spread from rat to rat and that most or all of her colony would have tested positive.
That is kindof why we are thinking it is only an issue when it sheds so we do not have to think all of our rats are infected.

12 were tested (so far), 2 were positive. 1 male & 1 female.
Another breeder had all that were tested show positive (idk how many)
And the other breeder had less than that breeder show positive but again idk how many.

And people who did get rats connected to this are themselves testing negative. So it doesn't add up.

Still waiting on other tests. so it will give us a better idea. That is really going to be the most helpful is when we get all of the tests back we can see if it has spread & how hopefully. Then maybe we can understand it and give us a better idea on how to proceed.
With the CDC working with Idexx as well, if many of us can show that we are not infected it may help. It may also help if people test and have the majority of their rats test negative it may change their mind.

I know for a fact one person had a rat from the infected ratteries. He had been in quarantine and the CDC only took him and not all of her rats.


Ratguide which is an amazing site is working with the CDC to put out an informational sheet so maybe they will tell us something too.

Waiting sucks though.
 
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. If a breeder believes she might have infected rats because they come from a place that tested positive, she could just close the rattery and not breed for two years. Problem solved. Let the rats have a great life and die naturally of old age. Not breeding for two years won't kill anyone😋
 
Two RELATED (immunity is genetic) persons out of millions working in places that are known to be infected by rats and 10's of thousands who work directly with rats or have pet rats most of them pet store rats from rat infected commercial warehouses. I take that odd against any other odds of illness or death anyone of us face each day.
 
Now I wonder, what about the adopters? If some rats from a certain breeder test positive than surely the CDC will ask the breeder for the list of all the adopters. It makes sense, right? Otherwise why even bother to go to the breeders in the first place if it is to leave the adopted out of it. So now the CDC will also go visit all the adopters and put down all of their rats if any of their rats test positive. I wonder if in many cases they will even bother to test the rats if they were adopted during the epidemic period established by their previous research at the breeder facility.
 
I don't think the CDC is going to seek out each rat adopter gestapo style until all the rats are accounted for...I mean they're scientists right? Not mafia foot soldiers. Or am I being naive? I sure hope not
 
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. If a breeder believes she might have infected rats because they come from a place that tested positive, she could just close the rattery and not breed for two years. Problem solved. Let the rats have a great life and die naturally of old age. Not breeding for two years won't kill anyone
Dog breeders test their dogs for all sorts of health issues. If I paid thousands of dollars for a puppy that got me sick I would be royally angry.... and in our lovely sue happy world I'd sue them to cover all of my health costs, missed work, pain and suffering.

Rats can live longer than 2 years...

That would mean losing all of their lines. Lines that could have gone on for generations that they have poured so much energy and time into. That would be almost as devastating. And some breeders have invested thousands of dollars into their rats. Not to even mention ones who have done shipments and imports where it was literally thousand dollars. If something did hit hard we could lose entire varieties :(

I don't want to go into details but breeders euthanize rats all the time. For countless reasons. Maybe not all pet owners know that, but it comes with breeding. Breeders are used to life and death.

If one rat is positive and 10 are negative, we are going to euthanize the positive rat so it can't potentially infect the others.

That is what we are praying for right now. That we can separate the negative & positive instead of losing everything.

Now I wonder, what about the adopters? If some rats from a certain breeder test positive than surely the CDC will ask the breeder for the list of all the adopters. It makes sense, right? Otherwise why even bother to go to the breeders in the first place if it is to leave the adopted out of it. So now the CDC will also go visit all the adopters and put down all of their rats if any of their rats test positive. I wonder if in many cases they will even bother to test the rats if they were adopted during the epidemic period established by their previous research at the breeder facility.
So far the breeders have been given the info of adopters who bought rats recently or within their timeframe.

As far as I know in this moment, the CDC has not contacted them yet. One breeder I know who received possibly infected rats is having hers tested (again the CDC has not gone in and killed all of her rats either) and she has given her list of people she sold to and has said that they told her they might contact them but have not yet.

They are testing these breeders who got rats.

I wanna again say the ONLY people who have had their rats euthanized were people who tested positive. So far everyone else is being allowed to test their rats. We do not know what the CDC will do after that. We are all just still waiting for results.

It is all one step at a time. Waiting to know sucks and is scary. But we just don't know what is going to happen yet.


Thank you so much Moonkissed for keeping us informed. I hope for the best for all the people and the rats being tested.
Thank you & your welcome :) Some breeders are trying to set up a page for support to all the rats that have so far been lost and to the breeders who have lost them. As soon as they do I'll share it.
I think the best thing we can do right now is stand together as a rat community!
 
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. If a breeder believes she might have infected rats because they come from a place that tested positive, she could just close the rattery and not breed for two years. Problem solved. Let the rats have a great life and die naturally of old age. Not breeding for two years won't kill anyone
I know a couple responsible dog breeders, if the dog breeders are responsible they test their dogs for many things. They can very easily be sued if they sell a sick dog for thousands of dollars. The buyers obviously care about the pet's genetics and such enough to pay for such a expensive dog they wouldn't just say "Oh well it's sick thats a couple grand down the drain." lol.
Backyard breeders however? I doubt they'd bother however theres been many cases of people getting sued for selling sick dogs and I'd guess those are the bybs being sued most of the time. Responsible breeders care enough to test their animals no matter the 'value' of the animal or the species..
 
I wonder if instead of rats it were dogs worth thousands of dollars each...Would the breeders voluntarily get tested? I don't think so.. 
Ethical, responsible breeders are just that...they feel morally obligated to choose what's right for the breed. With dogs, this does include testing for a variety of things. A breeder who believes they have infected rats is not solving the problem by ignoring the problem. I'm thankful for and applaud the group that's going through this challenge and working to proactively solve this, even if it unfortunately means euthanizing infected rats.
 
Well a pet only owner had the CDC come and test her rats in her home. Blood test only. She was tested yesterday and her rats today.

She got her rats directly from one of the breeders who tested positive. That is why they came and tested her rats.

On the plus yay they came and just gave a blood test.

But she said that they could possibly not wait for the test results and come take her rats next week anyways :(

I am not sure why or why they would bother testing if they were going to do that.

But still their testing is going quite slow getting to people even.
 
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