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Only get your rats tested if you are ok with them being killed. Don't believe for a second that they will come and kill only 1 infected rat. They will come and kill all of them. As a rat parent, I won't take the risk- I love my rats. Again it has been blown out of proportion, even if your rats are infected nothing will happen to you- you are not even going to get any symptoms or whatnot.
Speaking as an outsider (not living in the US so no direct threat to me by this virus and no emotional bias)
Doesnt sound like anyone here is 'OK' with having their rats killed? What a really weird thing to say.
And 'youre not going to get any symptoms'? How did the CDC find out that this virus was infecting people? The first article posted says PEOPLE got sick, which led to the CDC finding out that the source of the sickness was their rats. So OBVIOUSLY people are getting infected with the virus and showing symptoms, because you cant get visibly sick enough to have to go to the hospital, unless you have SYMPTOMS.

No one who wants to get their rats tested is 'OK' with their rats getting put down. Its all about doing the 'right thing' so that the virus outbreak can be contained. If an individual is a carrier of a virus, and does not get treated/eliminated, the virus spreads, infecting other individuals. That is how an outbreak occurs. If your rats are carriers but you only think of yourself and not see the bigger picture by not getting them tested, you may spread the virus to others in the community. Is it OK to be the reason that tens/hundreds of fellow rat owners to have to go through with losing their rats, as long as you get to keep your rats? To me that is pretty **** selfish. As others have pointed out, the testing is about ethics, not about whether youre ok with your rats being killed.
You talk about people running around like headless chickens and panicking, but all I see is responsible people doing responsible things and sharing helpful information. Sorry to say this but it looks like you're the one who's comments are more likely to be scaremongering while sharing no helpful info. As already mentioned, you do seem to be very strangely upset about the sharing of information between others on this topic...

To others, I hope this blows over quickly and hope all your rats will be safe :( Sounds like a very difficult time
 
I hope this virus outbreak dies out soon. It's so unfortunate that rats have to lose their lives but the owners and breeders are incredibly strong to allow that in order to protect other humans and rats. I'm so glad to see so many people sharing the information about the virus via rat groups, pages and forums trying to inform other rat parents. What an awesome community 8)
 
Any updates on how things are going with the investigation or the breeders going through this?

Things are not great. Apparently most individual states are running things and so they are all handling it differently.

Colorado seems to have cleared most breeders.

Some other states they are kindof being a bit of dicks. People were fighting it because they didn't want their rats killed who tested negative and so the CDC was being a bit more threatening with if you didn't cooperate they were going to just kill all the rats and/or not allow live testing.

There have been a ton of conference calls with the CDC and it is really sad how little info they know about the virus in rats. I think that is part of the problem. There is some info suggesting this is widespread among wild rats but they don't seem to care.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/10/e109/299360/Domestically-Acquired-Seoul-Virus-Causing
People were getting all the info typed up from the conference calls.

Testing had gotten alittle bit backed up, but people are still getting test results in.

Things are bad for alot of the breeders. Majorly bad :(

Short version of what is happening to some breeders:
You have a rat test positive but others test negative. You have two choices. 1. All of your rats are euthanized. 2. You have to work through your vet to continue to test. Which for just about everyone this is impossible to afford. I heard one person it was going to cost them over $1000 every 6 weeks.... Even if it was cheaper it is still way too expensive for most breeders. This is a hobby where we do not make a profit from. We are lucky if we get enough to cover our expenses.
So there is some discussion that they are trying to just wipe it out by forcing breeders into not being able to afford it and euthanizing everyone anyways :(

Sooo many breeders have quit, or lost all their rats right now it is insane.


But things are still ongoing. They are still testing and haven't told alot of breeders what is going to happen yet. Just a waiting game.

It looks like the CDC has added more states though:

  • Alabama
  • Arkansas
  • Colorado
  • Illinois
  • Indiana
  • Louisiana
  • Michigan
  • Minnesota
  • Missouri
  • Iowa
  • South Carolina
  • Tennessee
  • Utah
  • Wisconsin
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/seoul-virus/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/seoul-virus/map.html



Some good news: Idexx, the testing company says they will not release any personal information to the CDC. Though since your vet receives the info would they? IDK.... I do know they are backed up and i am still waiting for my test results to come back.



Rat Guide posted this info: http://ratguide.com/reference/SeoulVirus.pdf
It doesnt say much right now.



It is just a very stressful time right now :( Waiting sucks
 
That's terrible and a much worse update than what I was expecting!

So am I understanding it right about the testing...if a breeder had even just one rat tested positive, in order to keep their remaining rats that didn't initially test positive, they have to test every six weeks for an extended period of time? Every single rat? Wonder if they could look into a 'go fund me' to be even able to save at least one of their lines? This is so sad. Do you know how many breeders are involved in total? And is it confirmed that this is from a single source that spread via trading with ratteries or are some breeders testing and finding they somehow have infected rats as well even if they weren't involved in the trades?
 
I do not know how many breeders are involved. Not everyone has discussed it either. But a good amount through the 14 states listed.

Every state has been handling things differently. And so breeders are all being told different things.

The above has happened to a couple breeders, that I know of.
Some have tested negative and were told it would be fine if they did at the time but are now requiring more testing.

No one knows the exact source right now but I do believe the majority are all linked through rat sales. It may be Breeder A sold rats to Breeders and then it goes through everyone they sold to and then everyone they sold to. They have said they were only looking at the ratteries involved through those who tested positive but I am not sure if that is still the case. They were doing testing in some of those states and people may have come forward as well on their own.

Alot of breeders lost rats from anesthesia, they were put under to be tested and never woke up :(

I think most people are still waiting to get test results back.

I know a few breeders were looking to set up a page for the breeders and their lost rats and maybe once they do a gofundme can help them raise funds. Ill ask.
 
So that link you shared about the testing. You send for the kit and send it back to them and they test it for you?
Yes you can get free testing cards here: http://www.idexxbioresearch.com/opti-spot-collection-card-request
You get them really fast.

It requires alittle blood from each rat you want to test. The rats you are testing should be over 2 months old. I'd suggest one per cage depending on how long you have had them.
You get a form to fill out and you need to include your vets information. They will send the results to your vet who will then give it to you.

It seems by far, most vets will do this no issue.

There is alot of different tests you can test for. If you just want to check for the hantavirus, you just write it out Hantaan Virus on the line.
 
Just read some of the accounts from some of the ratteries that were forced to euthanize. My heart shattered, I can't imagine how they're coping after losing their passion and companions both in one. Some of those ratteries had been breeding for up to a decade and had put so much work in.
I'm cuddling my ratties extra close tonight.
 
I just wanted to echo this. I have not had any reason to comment, but I have been following this thread and topic.

Thank you! I wish I had more info right now.
Hopefully soon. I have heard some ratteries have been given new info that they can not share yet. So I am waiting to hear that news.

Just read some of the accounts from some of the ratteries that were forced to euthanize. My heart shattered, I can't imagine how they're coping after losing their passion and companions both in one. Some of those ratteries had been breeding for up to a decade and had put so much work in.
I'm cuddling my ratties extra close tonight.
It is so upsetting & heartbreaking :(
I really can not even imagine what they are going through and I hope I never do.

One posted just saying how she missed them all and it made me think how empty I would feel. I'd probably be so caught in my routine that I'd go in to feed them and then remember they were all gone. :(

It is really not fair.
 
Well I just listened on to the recent conference call with the CDC. Not much new info.

They added a new state, I can't remember which one is new but it is up to 15 now.
This is really why I have been telling people just because you were not in one of the states it is best to just have patience and wait. This is still ongoing and until they are finished with the investigation we just do not know how far it has spread.


There have been 3 states with people infected: Wisconsin, Illinois & Minnesota.
The states with possible rats infected so far:
Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin.

I also hear someone in Colorado tested positive (a human) though it has not yet been added to the CDC map. The breeder themselves has posted about it.
I know people in Tennessee who have had their rats tested positive :(

It has also shown up in Canada. They said Canada is sharing info but that they are not part of the US so idk they seem to say that they dont have control over that or have the latest info or what.

They said that currently they are looking at breeders with infected rats and rats that were sold to them or from them to trace it.

They also said that they do not know the source still and they have no "rat zero". And made a comment about how it is not that these ratteries did something or had bad husbandry which I thought was lovely to comment on.

The CDC did say they recommend depopulation :( Which sucks badly.
There was some discussion about if breeders could possibly save lines by breeding an infected rat and pulling off the babies before they are weaned because they would still have the antibodies from their mom and give them to a uninfected mom. So we don't lose lines, which will work but idk the CDC didn't seem to like the idea.

They do seem to be allowing the Idexx testing though so yay and they even had Idexx in on the call as well.

They also made sure we know that it is being run pretty much state by state through the health department.


I am hoping they will update their site with new info soon.
 
They also said that they do not know the source still and they have no "rat zero". And made a comment about how it is not that these ratteries did something or had bad husbandry which I thought was lovely to comment on.

The CDC did say they recommend depopulation :( Which sucks badly.
There was some discussion about if breeders could possibly save lines by breeding an infected rat and pulling off the babies before they are weaned because they would still have the antibodies from their mom and give them to a uninfected mom. So we don't lose lines, which will work but idk the CDC didn't seem to like the idea.
Moonkissed, thanks for the update. Nice to hear them praise the breeders for something.

On 'depopulation'- was that the information the breeders were asked not to share a few days ago?
 
Just wondering if this is a mistake or if you received information we do not have. The CDC website says that people have been found to be infected in Wisconsin, Illinois, and Indiana. Minnesota is *not* listed. This is of particular interest to me, since I live in MN.

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/seoul-virus/index.html

Nope Minnesota is correct.

It shows on the site for me.

http://imgur.com/vJ2oYGh
http://imgur.com/a/Y1QI5

(The red dots/arrow were added by me)

I do see on the main page at the top it just says Indiana instead of Minnesota. I think that may have been earlier and they just have not updated it.
During the call they definitely said Minnesota.
But it is weird.


Moonkissed, thanks for the update. Nice to hear them praise the breeders for something.

On 'depopulation'- was that the information the breeders were asked not to share a few days ago?
I agree. In some rat groups people have been bad mouthing the breeders involved and it is so horrid to see that when they are already going through so much.

No I am still not sure what they were asked not to share. I was assuming it was that the breeder tested positive in CO. But now that the breeder has publicly posted about it, I guessed it was ok now. But its weird that their site does not reflect that and they did not mention CO on the call at all.

Tennessee supposedly has people testing positive as well. So I am not sure if they are waiting to say that or what.


I also know that they are wanting to test more people to see how many people may have antibodies. Just in the general population.
In the UK they said like 30% of people tested had antibodies but only like 2-3% of professionals that dealt with them like vets or exterminators or such. But lots of people may have jobs where they could be exposed to it. Cleaning and such.

I wish they knew more about the virus and then it would be less concern perhaps.
 
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